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The Cobra
12-19-2011, 02:27 PM
Cobra......

Well the "lunatic fringe" is at it again. It seems that Cunneyworth can`t even spend a minute behind the bench before the Canadiens fans are getting ready to string him up......for not being French or not speaking it. Not all so bad tho...should Cunneyworth coach Montreal to a few wins these same fans will be ready to vote him in as the new pope. Guess they still can`t get over having to share French-Canadian players now after all those years of tainted drafts favoring them.


as per TSN

MONTREAL -- The Montreal Canadiens, one of Quebec's most sacred institutions, have waded into the province's stormy language debates by hiring a coach who can't speak French.

The Habs announced on Saturday that the job is going to assistant coach Randy Cunneyworth, replacing Jacques Martin at the helm of the struggling squad.

The backlash in some quarters was almost immediate.

Local radio call-in shows and online forums were abuzz with questions about whether a non-French speaker should be awarded the top post.

A prominent sports writer summed up one side of the issue, arguing the club failed in its responsibility to protect and promote the French language.

"In Quebec, the Canadiens aren't just a hockey team," Philippe Cantin wrote in Montreal's La Presse.

"They are also an institution. And like all institutions, they have a responsibility to the community."

Cunneyworth, who said he hopes to learn French, is the Canadiens' first unilingual anglophone head coach in nearly three decades.

The Ontario native was appointed on an interim basis until at least the end of the season.

Some fans suggested they wouldn't be so upset if the Habs had brought in a highly-regarded Stanley Cup winner, such as the Detroit Red Wings' Mike Babcock, a McGill alumnus, instead of an assistant without NHL head coaching experience.

Others said the most important thing is winning. They say that if Cunneyworth, a young, tech-savvy coach and former NHL captain, manages to revive the Habs, then he should stick around.

The controversy is the latest in a string of Quebec media stories touching on the perceived regression in the use of French, inside the province and in Ottawa.

The Parti Quebecois has, predictably, already tried to capitalize on the kerfuffle.

The separatist party's language critic Yves Blanchet appeared on a French news station Sunday afternoon to denounce the move.

Another separatist group even called for a boycott of Molson beer to punish the owner, Geoff Molson.

The Habs have been down this road many times before.

Former captain Saku Koivu, a Finnish-born star, was criticized for his lack of French during his time with the team.

Koivu was even called out by a Quebec City lawyer during a 2007 provincial commission studying the so-called reasonable accommodation of minorities and immigrants.

PQ Leader Pauline Marois went one step further, saying at the time that the Canadiens should insist on French courses for its players.

Other players, like Ontario-born Bob Gainey, have won fans' hearts by learning French on the job. Gainey, also a former team captain, later became general manager of the team.

The intersection of language politics and sports may seem silly to some, but the Canadiens are a Quebec institution whose impact extends well beyond the realm of sports, said one expert.

"It's always been wrapped up in the politics of the province," said Nicolas Moreau, a member of the faculty of social sciences at the University of Ottawa who co-edited a new book on the Habs and Quebec society.

"We are seeing this again now."

Moreau pointed to the Maurice Richard riots of 1955, seen as an early example of Quebec nationalism, with members of an aggrieved minority rising in revolt against Anglo oppression.

The team was founded by a businessman who, although Anglo-Irish, created it specifically for the French-Canadian market.

In the early days, the team was closely tied to Montreal's French-speaking community, and the team was almost entirely francophone, said Audrey Laurin-Lamothe, co-editor of the book.

"It's important for the Quebecois not only as a pastime, but because it's part of our identity, and language is wrapped up in that," said Laurin-Lamothe, a PhD student at the Universite du Quebec a Montreal.

More recently, the Canadiens have been criticized by some for not stocking the club with French players.

There is concern that if the Habs cease to hire Quebecers as coaches, francophones won't be able to get a foot in the door.

Several successful francophone bench bosses got their start with the Canadiens, including last year's Stanley Cup winner Claude Julien and runner up Alain Vigneault.

Some fans are hopeful that if the defunct Nordiques return to Quebec City, the Habs will be under more pressure to recruit francophone talent.

"When the Nordiques were there the Habs definitely had a stronger emphasis on French," Moreau said.

There has been much speculation that the Canadiens would behave differently if faced with a Quebec City team that would market itself more aggressively toward the Quebecois.

The Quebecor media empire, which is trying to bring back the Nordiques, has already picked up on that Quebec-identity theme lately in some critical news reports on the Canadiens and elements of its ownership consortium.

For all the controversy, though, the Canadiens have served as a unifier through the club's storied 102-year history.

The team has often been compared to a religion, bringing together the city's francophones, anglophones, and the rest of the multilingual mishmash in shared idolatry.

The Habs' famed Punch line of the 1940s, featuring Elmer Lach, Toe Blake and Maurice Richard, was an early bridge between the city's two linguistic solitudes, said Laurin-Lamothe.

"We had for the first time a mix of languages," she said. "The Punch line really helped changed the perception of the team to a club for the whole city."

The Cobra
12-19-2011, 06:14 PM
I was only half kidding referring to Canadiens fans as "the Lunatic Fringe" but......

as per CP


New Canadiens head coach blasted for no French
Several nationalist groups call for boycott of Molson products
CBC News
Posted: Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM ET
Last Updated: Dec 19, 2011 12:33 PM ET


Randy Cunneyworth made his debut as interim head coach of the Montreal Canadiens on Saturday night, after Jacques Martin was fired earlier that day.
Many Quebecers say Montreal Canadiens' new interim head coach, Randy Cunneyworth, is a bad choice for the job because he doesn't speak French.

Impératif Français, a nationalist group based in Gatineau, has called for a boycott of Molson products to protest the hiring, with another group, Mouvement Québec Français, adding its name to the call.

The Molson brothers own the NHL's Canadiens.

Cunneyworth was promoted from assistant to head coach after Habs management sacked Jacques Martin on Saturday morning. The Twitter-verse immediately began buzzing about the appointment.

Cunneyworth told reporters at the Bell Centre on Saturday that he had no plans to take French lessons, but hoped to pick the language up on the job.

Sports columnist Philippe Cantin, with the French-language daily La Presse, wrote the club has failed in its responsibility to protect and promote the language.

Cantin went on to say the Habs are much more than a simple hockey team for Quebecers.

Cunneyworth became the first Canadiens coach who speaks only English since Bob Berry's reign in the early 80s, and even Berry could hold a conversation in French, according to Cantin.

Mario Beaulieu, head of Mouvement Québec Français, called Cunneyworth's appointment "unacceptable," and said it shows that the team's management is "indifferent" to fans' wishes.

Along with calling for a Molson products ban, Beaulieu hopes fans will avoid buying Canadiens-related products for Christmas.


Cobra....
and if that`s not enough for the cellar dwelling Montreal Canadiens to deal with.......good ol` Patrick Roy today threw his name out there saying he`d be interested in the job.

This just may get pretty funny-------esp for us Leaf fans.

noman
12-20-2011, 09:22 PM
they should worry more about getting a coach that can win instead of what he speaks.

Costactc
12-20-2011, 09:53 PM
Molson press conference yesterday said that the issue will be addressed at the end of the year. Obviously this means Cunneyworth will be getting his walking papers eventually. The Montreal situation is a mess, I have nothing against Cunneyworth and hope for him to be successful but he isn't being treated fair. Molson should clean house and hire a ne GM who will choose his coach- to many bygones from the Gainey/Gauthier era. Of course our choice for GM is Pierre Maguire.

The Cobra
12-20-2011, 09:59 PM
Molson press conference yesterday said that the issue will be addressed at the end of the year. Obviously this means Cunneyworth will be getting his walking papers eventually. The Montreal situation is a mess, I have nothing against Cunneyworth and hope for him to be successful but he isn't being treated fair. Molson should clean house and hire a ne GM who will choose his coach- to many bygones from the Gainey/Gauthier era. Of course our choice for GM is Pierre Maguire.

well put all the way around bud.......I think Molson had a heart attack right in the wallet when some factions called for a boycott of Molson products, over the holidays esp. If I was Cunneyworth I`d say cie la vie right now and see how they`d make out.

Costactc
12-20-2011, 10:12 PM
That would be c'est la vie bud. Molson is a smart guy and a shrewd businessman, Gauthier firing is already in the works but give it time. Hopefully the team starts to improve for Cunneyworth's sake and he can learn a few words in French, no big deal. They've got the players and the talent, just need someone to shake the s*** out of them.

LuckyLarry
12-20-2011, 10:30 PM
I've been a Habs fan for what seems like forever,but the politics and endless whining of the French Canadians never ceases to make me sick.More than tired of them.
I have a two part plan for the separation of Quebec from Canada (as MANY of the Quebec people feel it's the right thing to do:
(1) Build a 50' wall all around the boundries of Quebec, to keep the other Canadians out.
(2) Fill it with sea water.

Nostradamus
12-20-2011, 10:45 PM
maybe they should start their own league in Quebec with only French speaking players, refs and coaches and play there instead. I bet language wouldn't be an issue if they picked up some player who only spoke Japanese but couyld turn the team around. Just some more of that want their cake and eat it to attitude. really is laughable they have nothing better to whine about

Costactc
12-20-2011, 10:52 PM
Sorry folks, not getting into o French/English Canada debate over language or politics- you guys can take this where ever it goes. Maybe if you actually lived in or around the Quebec area your ideology or views might be a bit different.

LuckyLarry
12-20-2011, 11:00 PM
I HIGHLY doubt it, Costactc...

The Cobra
12-20-2011, 11:04 PM
I've been a Habs fan for what seems like forever,but the politics and endless whining of the French Canadians never ceases to make me sick.More than tired of them.
I have a two part plan for the separation of Quebec from Canada (as MANY of the Quebec people feel it's the right thing to do:
(1) Build a 50' wall all around the boundries of Quebec, to keep the other Canadians out.
(2) Fill it with sea water.


HEY !!!! that`s my joke LMAO..............great minds they say??

LuckyLarry
12-20-2011, 11:07 PM
Rotflmao !!!!!!

The Cobra
12-20-2011, 11:11 PM
Sorry folks, not getting into o French/English Canada debate over language or politics- you guys can take this where ever it goes. Maybe if you actually lived in or around the Quebec area your ideology or views might be a bit different.

I`m sure a lot of minds would change bud if they lived there.....but this is seen as a hockey issue (hiring and firing coach) by the rest of the hockey world so politics and ideology should be kept in their place and off the playing fields. They did that in old cold war Soviet Union and didn`t make out too well. And NO I`m not making any comparison before anyone gets their knickers all knotted up!!

The Cobra
12-20-2011, 11:22 PM
Sorry..had to go for a sec....getting back


I`m sure these big mouthed zealots doing all the threatening couldn`t care less about the Habs..they just want an issue. Real Habs fans would be thrilled with a winner and it wouldn`t matter if he spoke Chinese. Case in point...where were all these threats when Saku Koivu was capt? or Kirk Muller for matter? Many called for him to coach Montreal this time around. A lot of the racket isn`t being made by Habs fans but it`s making them look like the bad guys...which isn`t right.

Nostradamus
12-21-2011, 12:49 AM
what seems strange about this is I could see it happening if Quebec city still had a team but Montreal always seemed different and I have never seen any real language barrier in Montreal itself. I dare say it exists but I have never encountered it is all. But I have to agree , it has nothing to do with hockey fans or even the average Quebecer either. This is just a handful of big mouths who have nothing else to do. Maybe they should grab a tent and go camp out with the other nuts who think they are going to change the world by making fools of themselves

chuck
12-21-2011, 01:00 AM
i drink labatts!!

The Cobra
12-21-2011, 01:45 PM
Cobra...I`m really starting to feel for Cunneyworth and wish the Canadiens would go on a win streak with him behind the bench just to shut a lot of people up. I find it strange that the so-called Montreal "fans" haven`t brought up the fact that out of the last 18 cup wins of the Canadiens....16 of them were with an Anglophone behind the bench. So much for all the "history " lessons. You gotta love politicians sticking their nose into sports...they`ll never get away with distorting facts about the Canadiens to a real Montreal fan.

Canadian Press

MONTREAL -- Guy Carbonneau can feel for Randy Cunneyworth, but he also believes the new coach of the Montreal Canadiens should learn to speak French as quickly as he can.

"He's living a dream, which is doing what he loves for one of the best franchises in the NHL, and he's caught in a storm," said Carbonneau, a former Canadiens captain and coach. "It's premature. You have to give him a chance to show what he can do and if he's willing to learn.

"But there's no doubt in my mind that the coach of the Montreal Canadiens has to speak both languages, at least to some extent."

The Toronto-born Cunneyworth, the first unilingual English coach the storied club has had since Al McNeil in 1970-71, landed in a swirl of controversy when he was made interim head coach after the firing of Jacques Martin on Saturday.

Cunneyworth has said he hopes to learn French.

The language debate was still raging Tuesday.

Many see the Canadiens as not only a hockey team, but as a institution representing the French-Canadian people, and that its coach should speak the language of the majority of its fans.

Canadiens legend and former general manager Serge Savard blasted the move, saying the team "belongs to the people." Team owner Geoff Molson was moved to issue a statement that underlined the job is "interim" and that next season there will be a French-speaking coach, whether it is Cunneyworth or someone else.

"Its one thing to say he's willing to learn it and another to actually learn it," said Carbonneau. "The job he has now is really demanding. You have to prepare the team. You have to eat and sleep. I don't know where learning French is going to fit in his schedule."

That the struggling team has lost its first two games under the new coach has not helped his cause, and the French-language Le Journal de Montreal rubbed it in by printing its front-page headline in English: "Another Loss For Cunneyworth" to make sure he understood.

After McNeil, a powerhouse Canadiens team was coached for eight years by Scotty Bowman, who spoke so-so-French, somewhat better than Bob Berry, who coached the club from 1981 to 1984. After that, an unbroken line of fluent French speakers went from Jacques Lemaire to Jean Perron, Pat Burns, Jacques Demers, Jacques Laperriere (for one game), Mario Tremblay, Alain Vigneault, Michel Therrien, Claude Julien, Carbonneau and Martin, with two short terms in between for the bilingual Bob Gainey.

That string ended with Cunneyworth, a highly regarded coaching prospect who moved to Montreal as an assistant coach after guiding its Hamilton farm club to a strong 2010-11 campaign.

Some suggested Quebecers would be more willing to accept an English-speaking coach if it was a big name with a proven winning record, like Detroit's Mike Babcock, but not a debut NHL coach like Cunneyworth.

Others see the Canadiens as a conduit to the NHL for French-speaking coaches not likely to get a chance with other clubs.

But Vigneault takes issue with the notion that he, Therrien or Julien got their first NHL job in Montreal because of their mother tongue rather than their coaching ability.

"I like to think we were hired on our hockey background first and foremost," Vigneault said in Vancouver. "I think all of us (former Canadiens coaches) that have gone on to other teams have proven that it was the right decision at the time."

Vigneault's Canucks met Julien's Boston Bruins in the Stanley Cup final last spring, while Therrien took the Pittsburgh Penguins to the final in 2008, losing in six games to Detroit. Therrien, Tremblay and Carbonneau are now commentators on the French-language all-sports station RDS.

Asked if Cunneyworth can succeed in Montreal, Vigneault said "Any coach anywhere, if you win, you're good."

Julien declined comment when asked about the language issue by Montreal reporters in Boston on Monday.

The soccer world has had numerous imported coaches who don't speak the native language.

They have got around the issue in different ways. Italian Fabio Capello has worked on his English since taking over as England coach.

Former Japan coach Philippe Troussier had fellow Frenchman Florent Dabadie as an interpreter who became almost as famous as the coach himself, hardly ever leaving his side.

Arsene Wenger, manager of England's Arsenal, has gone the other route. The Frenchman speaks five languages including Japanese.

In Montreal, all the players (except Russian rookie Alexei Emein) speak English. It has more to do with speaking to fans, directly at public appearances or through the media, as an acknowledgment that they are in a province in which French is the official language.

Vancouver forward Alex Burrows, a bilingual Montreal native with an English father and French mother, said it makes sense to have a French-speaking coach in the Quebec market.

"I understand what anglophones are thinking, that all that really matters is winning games," said Burrows. "But I totally understand the French people that are the fans.

"Probably 80 to 90 per cent of the Montreal Canadiens fans in Quebec are Francophone and they'd like to get the answers and read the newspaper and see the coach respond to some questions in French, so they can understand and relate to the team they've been cheering for all their lives."

kdawg64
12-21-2011, 05:18 PM
they should worry more about getting a coach that can win instead of what he speaks.

Montreal should ask themselves how many Cups they won with english speaking Coaches only, then ask the question again,,, too funny, only in Montreal

Go LEAFS !!!!!!!!!

The Cobra
12-21-2011, 05:55 PM
Montreal should ask themselves how many Cups they won with english speaking Coaches only, then ask the question again,,, too funny, only in Montreal

Go LEAFS !!!!!!!!!

16 of the last 18 cups won have had Anglos behind the bench..............Go Leafs !!!!is right bud.