Arkansas Man Busted for DISH Piracy

[Cybernaut]

Deputies bust $250,000+ satellite T.V. scam


http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story/Deputies-bust-250-000-satellite-T-V-scam/qi0NzyuXx0i4d7ahLVyE0w.cspx

He was turned in by his ex. LOL!

[humberto]

but that is imposible n3 wide open

is like ps is not paying for anything lol

we havent seen the proof many want to see posted so its not true

ps pay for all the channels and there is no n3 hack lol

[the_accessor]

they are talking about old n2 cards, this must have been on going for while,

[superdave73]

Hard to even believe these iks offerings.. if we could only go back to the old days with stand alone... with just files. To much out here now an to easy to get caught. Its just a chance you take in life.. most of the time you get burnt.something might save you though you can tell them you did have to pay for it just a lower cost.

[Night_Predator]

I guess he’s learning the hard way about the old adages, “it’s cheaper to keep her” (In ways he never thought of). Or “if momma ain’t happy no one is happy”. Or even better then those “Hell has no fury like a woman scorned”. Very expensive lessons. LOL

[noman]

Number 1 rule is never let your girl no your shady business, then she has something on u.

[D-troit]

Notice the spin on this bust. The guy had 65 cards @ $250.00 a piece on average to the usual customer that comes to 16,000. However it is spun into a 250,000 loss for Echo. Man I need to learn some of that new math.....lol

[hondoharry]

Good luck proving a case on technology that hasn't worked for over 2 years.

[timster]

Good luck proving a case on technology that hasn't worked for over 2 years.

I'm sure that Dish Network would add Nagra2 to some premium channels and unblacklist a few access cards just to prove a point

[timster]

Notice the spin on this bust. The guy had 65 cards @ $250.00 a piece on average to the usual customer that comes to 16,000. However it is spun into a 250,000 loss for Echo. Man I need to learn some of that new math.....lol

well, you're not taking into account that people do infact work for Echostar Communications and need to earn a living.

forget to executives, i'm talking about the people in Mexico that are manufacturing the receivers, the people that ship the receivers to location all over the United States, the software writers etc.

i doubt a little $16,250 is going to pay all those people.

[wonderduck]

My eyes are not what they once were but it looked like he had NEW cards and not old N2 cards.

[4me2c]

Lol...Clean Your Glasses, mostly Yellow D-500 cards, couple of the older Light Blue with Channel Logo cards also...! No New Cards...! ;)

[humberto]

yes old cards working on n3 he had

so there was no need for newer cards after all

since this guy was using them old ones a few days ago

[D-troit]

We all need to earn a living no doubt, this poor guy was trying to do just that but the media now has him looking like a scam artist. No due process or nothing how much pressure can JJ apply now. ...

[noman]

Doesn't matter if the technology is old not sure about us law but canada law says you have 2 years to put in a lawsuit after you first find out about this. The us might have something like that so you guys are wrong about them trying to prove it working now, they don't need to do that they just need to prove it back then. What will happen here is either a deal where he gives up all his clients and people he worked with or a default judgment. If he has nothing of value to his name this means ****, if he does he will be losing it real quick. As once the default is there they can take anything he has for the damages. I find it funny that most of the time online people talk a lot of **** and have no idea on how this works and how easy it is for them to prove. Dish does not bother to lay out lawsuits or pay money to investigators if they can't prove their case. Keep in mind they have gotten everything they wanted in ever case but one in all of history. Most of the time the law and judges side with them as you are looked at as scammers and scum that steals. It is you the defendent that needs to prove he is innocent and not them that have to prove their case. It is sad but true this is how it works go look up every case Dish has brought and you will see what i have said is 100% fact.

[dishuser]

Doesn't matter if the technology is old not sure about us law but canada law says you have 2 years to put in a lawsuit after you first find out about this. The us might have something like that so you guys are wrong about them trying to prove it working now, they don't need to do that they just need to prove it back then. What will happen here is either a deal where he gives up all his clients and people he worked with or a default judgment. If he has nothing of value to his name this means ****, if he does he will be losing it real quick. As once the default is there they can take anything he has for the damages. I find it funny that most of the time online people talk a lot of **** and have no idea on how this works and how easy it is for them to prove. Dish does not bother to lay out lawsuits or pay money to investigators if they can't prove their case. Keep in mind they have gotten everything they wanted in ever case but one in all of history. Most of the time the law and judges side with them as you are looked at as scammers and scum that steals. It is you the defendent that needs to prove he is innocent and not them that have to prove their case. It is sad but true this is how it works go look up every case Dish has brought and you will see what i have said is 100% fact.you just proved the don't know shat theory
dish never investigated him
so what money has echo invested into his arrest?
just like your IQ...absolute zero...lol
the local cops did

[noman]

you just proved the don't know shat theory
dish never investigated him
so what money has echo invested into his arrest?
just like your IQ...absolute zero...lol
the local cops did


Thats how you talk to a old friend? I didnt say his arrest I was talking about lawsuits if you read. Most people say prove this prove that and it the end know ****.

[dishuser]

Thats how you talk to a old friend? I didnt say his arrest I was talking about lawsuits if you read. Most people say prove this prove that and it the end know ****.that's how I talk to everyone...you know that...lol

[noman]

that's how I talk to everyone...you know that...lol I know bro lol .

[h_d]

Well unless the cards are for some card sharing set up think this is kind of old news,but after all it is Arkansas maybe N2 still works there.LOL

[superbee]

why not throw them away pack rat i think idiot

[profit]

Doesn't matter if the technology is old not sure about us law but canada law says you have 2 years to put in a lawsuit after you first find out about this. <br />
<br />
Sorry Noman, For anything other than a...

[dishuser]

you better check again <br />
cause I'm positive noman knows way more about civil sat cases than you ever will...lol

[profit]

[QUOTE=dishuser;592244]you better check again
cause I'm positive noman knows way more about civil sat cases than you ever will...lol

On march 04 2003 decision of the suprreme Court Of Canada decided that the limitations applied to CRA as well as other Crown proceedings. Section 32 of the Crown Liability and proceedding Act and Section 3(5)
of the BC limitation act barred collection of the Federal and Provincial portions of the debt since the debt was more than 6 years old. This decition was "overruled" when parliament amended section 222 of the income tax Act to provide for a 10 year limitation period.
Collins v. Canada, 2005 FCA 1431 CanLII.

Examples from various providences and the Federal Covernment:

British Columbia- Section 3(5) of the BC limitation Act sets 6 years as the limit for debt.

Alberta- The Alberta limitations Act sets 2 year as the term which is extended to 10 Year if there is a judgement.

Ontario- The Ontario Limitation Act 2002, came in to force on January 01, 2004 It sets 2 year as the term Section (4). this limitation will be reinstated where the debtor acknowledges the debt or make a partial payment towards repayment of his debt. If the default occurred prior to January 01, 2004 the creditor will continue to have 6 years to pursue the claim. However, if the default occurred after January 01, 2004 then the 2 year rule applies.

Federal- Section 32 of the Crown Liability and proceedings Act sets 6 years as the limit for debt.

Noman , must have talked about the Ontario limitation Act.Which as of 2004 is 2 years prior to 2004 the limitation Act , was 6 years.This applies to Civil litigation.

[Condor]

that's how I talk to everyone...you know that...lol
Oh no..u.u...u.... *^%$$(&^$%(^$(&^%(^%(&^%(&^$&$(&^$&$(&^.. hey wanna go get a beer?????:tehe::drink1::cor:

[dishuser]

Oh no..u.u...u.... *^%$$(&^$%(^$(&^%(^%(&^%(&^$&$(&^$&$(&^.. hey wanna go get a beer?????:tehe::drink1::cor:I wish I could have a beer
it may be quite a while before I can again...if ever:bawl:

[Condor]

I wish I could have a beer
it may be quite a while before I can again...if ever:bawl:
Oh no... Happy Holidays anyway... I will have one for u............

[teddy5883]

well, you're not taking into account that people do infact work for Echostar Communications and need to earn a living.

forget to executives, i'm talking about the people in Mexico that are manufacturing the receivers, the people that ship the receivers to location all over the United States, the software writers etc.

i doubt a little $16,250 is going to pay all those people.

**** man! Dish has enough of those damned shopping network channels to make up the difference. Seems like that's about half of the channels we pay for in our subs. lol

[noman]

[QUOTE=dishuser;592265]

On march 04 2003 decision of the suprreme Court Of Canada decided that the limitations applied to CRA as well as other Crown proceedings. Section 32 of the Crown Liability and proceedding Act and Section 3(5)
of the BC limitation act barred collection of the Federal and Provincial portions of the debt since the debt was more than 6 years old. This decition was "overruled" when parliament amended section 222 of the income tax Act to provide for a 10 year limitation period.
Collins v. Canada, 2005 FCA 1431 CanLII.

Examples from various providences and the Federal Covernment:

British Columbia- Section 3(5) of the BC limitation Act sets 6 years as the limit for debt.

Alberta- The Alberta limitations Act sets 2 year as the term which is extended to 10 Year if there is a judgement.

Ontario- The Ontario Limitation Act 2002, came in to force on January 01, 2004 It sets 2 year as the term Section (4). this limitation will be reinstated where the debtor acknowledges the debt or make a partial payment towards repayment of his debt. If the default occurred prior to January 01, 2004 the creditor will continue to have 6 years to pursue the claim. However, if the default occurred after January 01, 2004 then the 2 year rule applies.

Federal- Section 32 of the Crown Liability and proceedings Act sets 6 years as the limit for debt.

Noman , must have talked about the Ontario limitation Act.Which as of 2004 is 2 years prior to 2004 the limitation Act , was 6 years.This applies to Civil litigation.



I'm talking about civil lawsuits. And one thing i will tell you is in these cases what you think and see as law does not apply. I have followed every case in canadian history and have seen all the real evidence and court papers not the bull**** ones you see online. I have even been in the court room for many of these cases and you would be surprised what is allowed. The thing is these are usually on the commercial list and they have different laws then most lawsuits. The judge has the discression to allow anything and doesn't need to follow law itself as that is how caselaw is made. I'm not saying what you posted is wrong as ot the law, it's just wrong when it comes to these types of cases. Most follow the rules of anton pillar which that in itself is crazy to follow and know what is law and what isn't. Dish and bell are not stupid they know what they can do and what they can't. 99% of the time they get 100% of what they want. Keep in mind only 1 person in history has gotten away just 1, out of hundreads of people. So to sit here and say the things these guys are saying in this thread not you but the rest is pure bull****. Example mikabu steve argued and showed legit uses for his products such as iso programmers , he also showed that H cards and such could not get piracy at the time of it, the courts do not understand this technology so that argument cannot win. Example 2: In the case of tomico , the judge stated that a post that was found online , posted by anonymous person that said thats so and so was tomico is as good as a signed paper by so and so himself. As we all know that anyone at anytime can post on these forums about anything but the judges understanding was it was 100% like a signed paper by tomico.

The thing that most people should fight on in these cases is that each one is a freedom of rights violation, how can anyone get a fair trial if the judges do not know whats going on or how it all works?

That is enough from me as I stopped caring about all this stuff a while back, most guys end up taking a deal and working for the provider, you would be amased at who works for them at this stage. Only 1 man doesn't and he is not even in the hobby anymore. So before you all think your unstoppable remember 1 thing, they do not come after you if they can't win.


End rant lol

[burnsy]

Have you ever taken a breath of air - well call us we are sure you can sue someone

Thank you

Dowe Cheatem and How
Attorney at Law

[dishuser]

Have you ever taken a breath of air - well call us we are sure you can sue someone

Thank you

Dowe Cheatem and How
Attorney at Law

I guess you missed the part where they only sue when they know they'll win

[burnsy]

Ah dang I'm a canuk just getting into all this US sueing stuff up here LOL


I guess you missed the part where they only sue when they know they'll win

[AlphaCatalyst]

I love how the media makes a big deal out of a small-time operation. Classic.