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Fibroso
02-16-2012, 04:43 PM
What can Juan Manuel Marquez do now? February, 15, 2012 Feb 15
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By Dan Rafael



Juan Manuel Marquez is going to the International Boxing Hall of Fame someday. The Mexican star has won titles in three divisions, been in numerous action-packed fights and faced the best of his era, including Manny Pacquiao in their famed trilogy. Even though Marquez officially is 0-2-1 against Pacquiao, he deserved a much better fate. In my view (and I covered all three fights), he should be 2-0-1. (I had Marquez winning the first two fights and drawing with Pacquiao in No. 3).

But here is Marquez, coming off an excellent performance against Pacquiao in a November majority decision loss, unable to land another major fight. It's as though the top fighters played a game of musical chairs and, when the music stopped, Marquez was the one left without a seat.

Right after the loss to Pacquiao, Top Rank's Bob Arum talked about an immediate fourth fight. But that ultimately went nowhere, and now Pacquiao is set to defend his welterweight title against junior welterweight titleholder Timothy Bradley Jr. on June 9.

The other fighter Marquez had been closely linked to for a potential bout was Lamont Peterson, who owns two junior welterweight belts. Arum talked about trying to make that fight and holding it at Cowboys Stadium outside of Dallas.

Alas, that big opportunity also fell by the wayside, because Peterson elected to give Amir Khan, from whom he won the belts in December, a rematch on May 19.

With both fights failing to materialize for Marquez -- who would fight at junior welterweight or welterweight -- it has left him looking for an alternative.

If he's only going to work with Mexican promoter Fernando Beltran and Top Rank, his options are a bit limited in terms of notable fights. Probably the most interesting match would be for him to face former lightweight titlist Brandon Rios, if Rios' proposed bout with Yuriorkis Gamboa doesn't come off. (It's being negotiated for April 14 on HBO and, from what I'm told, Rios is in, but there are still issues on the Gamboa side.)

Rios struggles to make lightweight -- he missed that weight for a December fight and was stripped of his belt -- and could certainly fight Marquez at 140 pounds. Marquez-Rios would be a matchup of the ultimate star veteran against a young, hungry, rising star.

If Marquez could work with Golden Boy -- his former promoter, whom he left in order to get the third Pacquiao fight -- he has more options. A summer fight with the winner of the Feb. 25 fight between Marcos Maidana and Devon Alexander would be an interesting option, especially if it turns out to be the all-action Maidana. A similarly interesting option might be to face the winner of the May 19 fight between Lucas Matthysse and Humberto Soto, although that would mean a much longer wait for Marquez.

If I had my way, Marquez would fight the winner of the March 24 bout between junior welterweight titlist Erik Morales and youngster Danny Garcia, especially if it's Morales.

I have wanted to see Morales-Marquez for about a decade, as have many. It would pit all-time great Mexican boxers and would undoubtedly be an exciting fight (one that would also probably do well on pay-per-view). But I also want to see it because it would complete a historic round-robin, as it's the only bout that has never happened among the great foursome of Marquez, Morales, Pacquiao and Marco Antonio Barrera, who have met 12 times between them. And if Garcia beats Morales, well, Garcia-Marquez would be another fine fight matching a star veteran against a young, exciting fighter.

KIDWCKED
02-16-2012, 10:26 PM
I thought Marquez won the first fight for sure.Marquez is just good as Pacquaio.I would like to see a Morales-Marquez fight.

plastikman
02-16-2012, 11:26 PM
I thought Marquez won the first fight for sure.Marquez is just good as Pacquaio.I would like to see a Morales-Marquez fight.
morales in his prime maybe, not a chance now... i would like to see marquez vs bradley

rudee
02-17-2012, 12:00 AM
Marquez went to sleep in the last fight with Manny... Manny chasing him around the ring in the latter rounds cost him the fight.
But Marquez still a very good fighter.. Especially for being around 40.
I think a Rios or Maidana fight would do very well. I dont think a Marquez vs Morales fight would do well in USA..(ppv) i mean.
Would have to be against an American.
I would take Marquez to win against Morales...

Fibroso
02-17-2012, 03:28 AM
I like to see him against Khan in Mexico City. JMM is the best Azteca Warrior at this moment, sure his paisanos will like to see him fight there.

rudee
02-17-2012, 04:39 AM
Totally agree Fib... Khan would have to gain some weight though..
I will tell that if Marquez and Morales mixed it up in Mexico City... they would close the country down.
Even the drug lords would take a day off...
Morales is a super hero in Mexico.. I agree Marquez is the best Mexican fighter at the moment.
Morales is in the Salvador Sanchez mode... people love him there.

Condor
02-17-2012, 04:54 AM
Marquez is not a welterweight....He is just too small and that is what hurt him when he fought these welterweights...I think he was a great fighter and should just call it quits before some youngster comes along and hurts him............

Fibroso
02-17-2012, 09:07 PM
Marquez is not a welterweight....He is just too small and that is what hurt him when he fought these welterweights...I think he was a great fighter and should just call it quits before some youngster comes along and hurts him............
Your superstar couldn't hurt him, on the contrary,he beat him twice and had a last minute draw. To say an old man did that to Pacquiao is downgrading the filipino star... hehe saludos

Condor
02-17-2012, 09:59 PM
Your superstar couldn't hurt him, on the contrary,he beat him twice and had a last minute draw. To say an old man did that to Pacquiao is downgrading the filipino star... hehe saludos

hehehehee.. Fib.. Instead of keeping repeating myself over and over.. see post # 21 here.....lol

fputs
02-17-2012, 10:07 PM
I have no interests in seeing Morales fight. He was just a shell of a fighter following his fight with the Pac Man.

Fibroso
02-17-2012, 10:54 PM
hehehehee.. Fib.. Instead of keeping repeating myself over and over.. see post # 21 here.....lol

Yea, sorry about that!!! Like they say in my home town, "cada guaraguao tiene su pitirre" Guaraguao is the biggest bird on the island, the Pitirre is a small but very fast bird with plenty of cojones that beats on the big bird. Saludos hehehe

Condor
02-17-2012, 10:56 PM
Oooops!! Forgot the link.. on post above.. lol...
http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php?94294-Pacquiao-could-retire-after-Bradley-fight/page3

rudee
02-17-2012, 11:51 PM
I meant Morales in the Sanchez mode as far as the people loving him the way they loved Sanchez... Not in his ability,
Erik pretty much done now... Manny did take the starch out of him.
Course that was when Manny was at his peak... don't think he is there anymore.

Condor
02-18-2012, 12:32 AM
I meant Morales in the Sanchez mode as far as the people loving him the way they loved Sanchez... Not in his ability,
Erik pretty much done now... Manny did take the starch out of him.
Course that was when Manny was at his peak... don't think he is there anymore.

You must be talking about Salvador Sanchez amigo... What a great loss... He would have been one of the greatest Paisano fighters............

el chido
02-18-2012, 03:14 AM
Morales vs. Marquez would be a great match up for some revenue If needed, which would be Hugely popular among Latino Boxing Fans. Don't think would go a good seller in NA though. Still, I think Marquez deserves a better card after His strong performance against Pac Man. If He stays at this level for the rest of 2012 at least, He could be matched up with khan or perhaps If we want to make It more interesting, Brandon Rios, I'm sure he'll have no trouble making weight at the 140 level.
I just hate to see a Great Fighter like JMM not being given a fair Pay day knowing that He's still right Up there & a Great Contender!

Just like Our Old Friend in the Back round repeatedly said in the stands: ...."Con Huevos Marquez!!!"... and He's got plenty!!

Chigaro
02-18-2012, 09:38 PM
Morales in his prime was a warrior and produced magnificent fights. Unfortunately, he has in no way held up like Marquez, who is still competitive and can still be the kryptonite to Pacquiao.

Maybe a retirement fight for Morales, hate to see him get destroyed, again because a good fighter could really hurt him.

Marquez on the other hand is still a great fighter, love to see him continue on for a year or two.

Yogi
02-19-2012, 08:37 AM
I think Marquez deserves a big fight also. Right now he is just screwed. Morales is probably the biggest fight he can get. If not Morales, the next biggest fight for him I wold see is a fight with maybe Paulie Malignaggi at Welterweight. There isn't a whole lot of pickings out there for him.

Fibroso
02-19-2012, 02:00 PM
I think Marquez deserves a big fight also. Right now he is just screwed. Morales is probably the biggest fight he can get. If not Morales, the next biggest fight for him I wold see is a fight with maybe Paulie Malignaggi at Welterweight. There isn't a whole lot of pickings out there for him.
Are you the same person who said that the welterweight division was the treasure of boxing. That everyone wanted a payday out of this division. Well after beating Pac a few times (in the eyes of the beholders) JMM can fight just about anyone in the 140 to 147 weight class. To say he has no options is not telling the truth, I would say that Arum and company are meticulous not to let him beat some of the members of the squad. They want Pacquiao to do so,not him. Lots of money involved!!!!!!

Yogi
02-19-2012, 08:46 PM
Are you the same person who said that the welterweight division was the mecca of boxing. That everyone wanted a payday out of this division. Well after beating Pac a few times (in the eyes of the beholders) JMM can fight just about anyone in the 140 to 147 weight class. To say he has no options is not telling the truth, I would say that Arum and company are meticulous not to let him beat some of the members of the squad. They want Pacquiao to do so,not him. Lots of money involved!!!!!!

That isn't really what I said. What I said was that people should be making the case why they deserve these big money fights. They do this by fighting the tough fighters then say that is why they deserve the big money fights. Right now, that is not what most of them are doing. Most of them are grabbing a belt, cherry picking their opponents, and hoping that people like Mayweather and Pac will run out of big fighters, so they will have to fight them because there is nobody else left for them to fight. Yes, I was talking about people like Khan, Bradley, and Martinez. Even Berto was doing that until he thought underestimated Ortiz, by thinking he was a totally shot fighter. There is also a side effect to making the case by giving it your all and fighting the tough people. That is that you also make yourself your own cash cow. Cotto is a prime example of that. Ortiz is another one. Both of them have losses and can still draw a pretty good crowd. Someone like Bradley on the other hand, after he gets a beat down by Pac, he still won't be able to draw anyone.

I am not saying there is no one out there for Marquez to fight. There are always fighters that are willing to make a quick payday. What I am saying, is that no one has made the case why they deserve to be in a fight with him. That basically leaves Marquez with an old warrior like Morales, who over the years has made the best case by given it his all and fought the top fighters, which makes him a crowd drawer.

As far as Arum wanting Manny to fight to beat the top fighters, that may be their thinking, but the truth of the matter is that you can put Manny in with a nobody and still make a lot of money. Basically that is what they are doing right now. It could be possible that Bradley is big in Arum's eyes, but to the rest of the world, Bradley is a nobody.

rudee
02-20-2012, 02:27 AM
Oh yeah Bolivia,, i was referring to Salvador Sanchez... best thing to come out of Mexico since tortillas!
I have heard that Marquez is very tough to do business with.. is very demanding and hard to deal with.
Maybe thats why he doesnt fight too often. dunno fer shur.
He is still very good though. he better hurry and ink something,,, he is pushing 40...

Yogi
02-20-2012, 02:33 AM
Marquez has blown big money fights in the past because of his demands and got stuck with taking low paying fights because of it.

I actually like Marquez. He is one of my most favorite fighters.

rudee
02-20-2012, 04:58 AM
He is a damn good fighter Yogi... but time is running out..
He shouldnt be so demanding... he has tons of money.
Funny,, he not that popular in Mexico... Barrera was much more popular.. of course so is Morales.
Heavy puncher. Thats why Manny kept away... Too bad Marquez wasn't more aggressive.

Yogi
02-20-2012, 09:29 AM
You know rudee, I have never understood that. Marquez is a true champ and yet, the people of Mexico never really embraced him, but they are all open arms to chumps like Canelo and Chaves Jr.

I wish he was more aggressive also. Not to take away for his boxing skills, because he can box with the best of them, but if he was more aggressive in those fights, it would make for more interesting matches.

rudee
02-20-2012, 07:21 PM
Very well said Yogi... yer a man with very good boxing knowledge...
Marquez is not warm to the public... he never gives the other man credit... does
not reach out to the Mexican people the way the past champs have..
He is cold and distant...
Canales is very friendly... plus the fact that he is a natural redhead and looks peculiar and has personality
really helps him...
Of course Chavez is riding his dads coat tails... cuz he sure ain't much. Pepina Cuevas woulda knocked
Chavez Jr out in 3....
Hearns in ONE!
Que no?