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aquariusone
03-19-2012, 02:38 PM
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Here is what took place after post-fight interview between LARRY MERCHANT and LOU DIBELLA:

By Ron Borgas, Boston Herald:

When Merchant suggested after Martinez’ victory he move up to 168 pounds to challenge another HBO favorite, super middleweight champion Lucian Bute, DiBella went off.

“It’s (expletive) that HBO suggests he move up to fight Bute or (Andre) Ward,’’ DiBella bellowed at ringside at The Theatre at Madison Square Garden. “My guy isn’t even a real middleweight. He was eating steak and a baked potato the day of the weigh-in and still was only 157.

“He’s really a 154-pounder and they want him to move up instead of insisting Chavez do what he should have done already and face him? Sergio’s knocking out everyone at middleweight and he’s not even a middleweight. His only disadvantage is that he’s not a true middleweight. So he’s got to spot guys weight until he gets knocked out? He’s not going to do that.”

While DiBella said he could find another promotional spot for Macklin, the situation is more complicated for Martinez, who seems too small and too good for his own good. DiBella reflected this by issuing another challenge that grew more tantalizing the more he spoke.

“Until proven otherwise, Floyd Mayweather is the best fighter in the world and we’d fight him at 154 pounds,” DiBella said. “We’d fight him at 152. We’d fight him at 150 to get the opportunity and give him 80 percent of the money!

“Would that be detrimental to Sergio? Of course it would be detrimental, but he’s going to have to do something detrimental to get paid. We will handicap ourselves to fight great fighters.”

DiBella was not so willing to put 26-year-old Edwin Rodriguez at equal risk, however. He also promotes the Worcester super middleweight, who won a lopsided decision over Donovan George on Saturday, a victory likely to improve his No. 3 IBF ranking, but DiBella expressed no interest in putting him in with Bute either, but for different reasons. Rodriguez’ issue is lack of experience, not size.

“I’m not going to take a young fighter and throw him to the wolves,” DiBella said. “He’s not on a level with Bute or Ward yet, but I’d put him in with anyone on the next level. I’d put him in with (former light heavyweight champion and super middleweight contender Jean) Pascal or (ex-super middleweight champion Carl) Froch if he loses to Bute in May. Edwin is a future champion.”

So according to DiBella he has a future Hall of Famer and a future champion and he doesn’t want to put either in with Bute. You can’t blame him, or HBO, for that.

AQUA'S TAKE: This is the reason why boxing has lost a lot of its lustre. As Rudee would say: "It is all about MONEY; not about PRIDE." Di Bella and Arum are cut from the same pie. Decades ago, true champions fought each other to prove they are the best. Today, FORGET IT!

rokko
03-19-2012, 07:39 PM
hey aqua--i just posted another article about this--didnt see yours--if floyd dont take this offer he is crazy

aquariusone
03-19-2012, 08:28 PM
hey aqua--i just posted another article about this--didnt see yours--if floyd dont take this offer he is crazy

No problem, Bro!

However, call him crazy, insane, chicken, whatever! There is one good reason why he would not take this offer: self-preservation - the same reason he has avoided a clash with Pacquiao. There are also other reasons why this would not happen. Martinez, for all that he and DiBella think he has accomplished, does not command a strong marketability factor. It would not be a "big sale". Money would see it as a "big risk-little reward".

There are only a few diehards that Martinez can convince of "his greatness". Great boxers are not like some "swingers" in baseball - lots of strikeouts; some homeruns. Joe Frazier, Marvin Hagler, Tommy Hearns, Pacquiao, Duran (in his heydays), the late Arturo Gatti, were never afraid to engage - they keep coming with combinations, regardless of how much pain they suffer in the process. Juanma and Salida, last Saturday, boxed their hearts out. Macklin, in spite of his loss, earned my respect, because he was unafraid to exchange. Buddy McGirt is the reason he would not come out in the 12th round.

The last reason Mayweather will not take the challenge - it would be boring as hell. They might as well join the Boston Marathon, like Victor Ortiz. Who would want to watch that?

Yogi
03-19-2012, 08:32 PM
He was eating steak and a baked potato the day of the weigh-in and still was only 157?...


Martinez, Williams pre weigh-in

On Friday, reigning WBC middleweight champion Sergio “Maravilla” Martinez and three-time world champion Paul “The Punisher” Williams went to the scales for the Official WBC 30-day Weigh-In. Martinez weighing in at 176, from his camp in Oxnard, CA and from Wash., DC, Williams weighed 162 pounds. The contract weight for the Saturday, November 20 bout at Atlantic City Boardwalk Hall is 157-pounds.

Sergio Martinez: “Dropping weight has never been an issue for me. It hasn’t been hard. It’s more difficult to get in the ring and battle against Paul Williams or Kelly Pavlik. Cutting weight… that’s easy. My weight loss won’t slow me down. On the contrary, I gain speed. The speed will bring more of the element of surprise. With more surprise brings more potential and ability. I’ll be stronger than my last fight against Williams and Kelly Pavlik.”

Paul Williams: “I don’t see Sergio’s weight making a difference,” said The Punisher. “He’s been doing this his entire career and he has been prevailing and performing. If he weighed in at 176 then he must have started the camp weighing 200lbs. Ultimately what matters, is that he comes in at 157 at the official weigh in. I had lunch 2 hours before I weighed-in to be sure I would be within weight guidelines (chuckling).

This is on the unofficial scales for the night of the fight with Dzinznruk

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DiBella is a freaking liar when he says that he has to feed him steak and potatoes to get his weight up to 157 pounds. He comes in on the official scales at 157 then balloons up to somewhere around 170 on fight night. 157 is only 3 pounds over the 154. That isn't crap. He can make that easily and balloon back up to those weights.

Pac on fight night will come in about 147 pounds. That would put him at somewhere around a 23 pound disadvantage.

I am guessing that Floyd would come in somewhere around 155 pounds on fight night. That would put him at somewhere around a 15 pound.

Putting Manny or Floyd in with this guy, would be like putting them in the ring with a freaking bear, plus he has for real punching/knock out power in the Middleweight devision. His last 4 Middleweight fights was against Paul Williams, Sergiy Dzinziruk, Darren Barker, and Matthew Macklin, which all ended in pretty brutal knockouts. Can you imagine if he hit a little Welterweight? Even if they blocked the punches, they are still going to have a devastating effect on them.

aquariusone
03-19-2012, 11:16 PM
Only reason he is going after Mayweather or Pacquiao - MONEY!

The guy has no pride!!!! Now watch what he says about Andre Ward's challenge!

rokko
03-20-2012, 01:16 AM
Merchant speaks on Martinez

“Look, like all professional sports, it’s business as well as a sport. So it’s perfectly understandable that he wants to fight the biggest names that generate the biggest bucks. But he’s not on their short list of opponents. As far as I’m concerned, he’s as good as he thinks and everybody else thinks. I’d love to see him fight a [Andre] Ward or [Lucian] Bute. I’d like to see him step up. He wants those guys to step up to him? He should step up to them. He’s willing to fight Chavez. Well, Chavez looks as big or bigger than those super middleweights these days. He came into the ring weighing 181 last time. Every fighter within ten or more pounds of [Manny] Pacquiao or Mayweather are looking for a way to get into the ring with them. Because that’s where the money is. What’s the old question where they ask Willie Sutton why does he rob banks? ‘Because that’s where the money is’”

“I find it interesting that Chavez is as big or bigger than the super middleweights who he says are too big for him. But look, I think the conventional wisdom would be that he is too quick for Chavez and that Chavez takes too many punches, but as we saw tonight, a 10-1 underdog gave him all he could handle and pushed him to come back and win it in a dramatic style. Chavez is a bigger man and I don’t know how that equation works. I think the fact that [Chavez’s] management, after first calling out Andy Lee and after saying ‘Well, we don’t want to fight Lee’, part of which is because he’s a southpaw, why would they go and fight this southpaw? [Chavez] is a big star who brings in some good numbers and he’s been in some pretty good fights lately. I don’t know how long he can actually fight at 160.”

“Lou Dibella is trying to make money for his fighter and himself. It’s not like HBO can push Chavez into a corner and tell him he has to fight this guy. That’s not the way it works. And Lou knows it, he’s been around. And if Lou Dibella promoted one of the guys that Martinez wanted to fight, he would be doing exactly what those guys are doing.”

Yogi
03-20-2012, 01:17 AM
Only reason he is going after Mayweather or Pacquiao - MONEY!

The guy has no pride!!!! Now watch what he says about Andre Ward's challenge!

Oh no doubt aqua. After the Paul Williams fight, they scheduled a fight with Sergiy Dzinziruk and he cried about it, saying that he didn't want to fight tough fights. He said that he wanted a couple of easy fights before they put him in with someone tough. Now they lie about his weight, make it sound like he has to eat met and potatoes before the official weigh in just he be able to get his weigh up high enough in order to be able to fight. It is all BS. They are saying it so they can try to avoid people like ward and make it sound like he deserves a fight with small welterweights.

I am still trying to figure out why they rate him as #3 p4p when there is more people that are much more deserving to be ranked higher then him. Marquez deserves to be ranked higher then him. Look at all the weight classes he has gone through and the titles he has picked up along the way.

Gamer
03-20-2012, 01:23 AM
I have to agree as all he wants is the money.He wont fight the big guys as he might get koed.He should be fighting ward and we will see if he showboats with his hands down.

aquariusone
03-20-2012, 01:25 AM
It is amazing really how they try to call out Chavez, Jr. who is looking more and more like a light heavyweight (close to 180), and yet avoid Andre Ward or Lucien Bute. Also, you are right Yogi, about the lies DiBella tells. He thinks boxing fans are stupid and gullible....."meat and potatoes for 157 lbs". If that is true, then call me handsome Tom Cruise!