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Do you know what's the out come from the court? Did any body represent himself to avoid layers fee. May be the judge will say not enough prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by alex70olds
What just a donation that have your real name but all the other crap is not you
yes i believe one person was foolish enough to represent themselves in court, and they got raped, so to speakQuote:
Originally Posted by sami1977
they tried to give a sob story about being broke which did them no good, i believe they were slapped with a 10,000 judgement plus court fees and DN lawyer fees, would have been better to pay the damn 3,500
maybe somebody else can verify this
If he admit that he was watching DN because he was broke then yes. But he denied using any code it wont be like that other then if they get a video of him entering the code and wathing DN?
Just the purchase of the code id all they need . No way out of it. They don't have to prove you used it .Quote:
Originally Posted by sami1977
yeah, good luck with that, wishful thinking....i hope you have $10,000 to spareQuote:
Originally Posted by sami1977
maybe, maybe not, think they will have to tip the scales a little more than just intent. lot of other things go into play for all to come together.most people paying or defaulting.no real fighter yet that i've read.as long as lawyer can be bought, little chance,although it may be who you know that could help in your state, have ace in hole.maybe you got sick ended up in hospital,never got to use them,bad car wreck,computer crashed, or lost them,dog ate the paper you wrote them on.did you really connect, is the real question.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheff
never used them?Quote:
Originally Posted by rambojoe
ya I bought coke bought never did it so it's fine...lol
this is civil court and the plaintiff don't have to prove much
why else would they go after so many?
fine with me,i buy alot of things some legal some not and may or not use them.why not go after many when you capture a truck load of info off someone that gave it up, why? you know why scare=money.
then everyone should fight itQuote:
Originally Posted by rambojoe
a lawyer's fees might even be less
don't know, but what have you got as an option, pay up or fight, or of course run.things are tight these days for all.will they really lock you up for an unpaid bill?now if you really running a money maker and made money then look out, but simple house tv who know?
simple house tv?Quote:
Originally Posted by rambojoe
that gets 12 ufc's a year=$700?
wrestling ppv=$700?
sub pack at a year=$1,500?
ppv movies for a year=$1,000
and people paid 1% for that thru nfps and some have have the audacity to say they didn't know it was illegal...lol
ignorance may be bliss but....
can't see them giving anyone a cheap settlement
now is this what nfps gave from all the freezing and down time is here to read about, or what you would get from dish freeze free and no down time? but at this point it really doesn't matter.they charging for what you got, or what they think you got.is cheap by your adding, the settlement that is.just face it not a bad deal really.your add 3900,and they will settle 3500. 400 savings lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
minus what you paid nfps...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rambojoe
Actually admitting the fact that he was "broke" is probably what sank his ship. There would be no reason to mention that fact as it has no bearing on whether you actually used the code. The very statement "I was broke" implies that you used the code but are trying to say you used it for a "good" cause. Courts don't view crimes that way. A crime is a crime is a crime in the courts eyes. He admitted guilt when he said "I was broke". That is what sunk him. Its not that it can't be beat you just can't be an idiot in court. Sorry to the guy that represented himself in that manner if he's reading this but damn use your head. :devil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grave Digger
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Originally Posted by dishuser
why would anyone watch ufc or ppv wrestling? And the movies?--mostly junk. Don't even know what a sub pack is--not sure why anyone would want it either. So your thousands of dollar bill looks to have evaporated to a basic sub for me--and I don't even like a basic sub's channel lineup, so true FTA works for me.
Not everyone is imune to TV addiction like you are jvvh5897..:tehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jvvh5897
read all the posts where they thank nfps for ufc and wrestling...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by jvvh5897
Is it anything like Slick Willy Clinton
smoked weed, but never inhaled
Would that work in court?
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Originally Posted by dishuser
People, people...can't you see the writing on the wall?
The game is almost up
You're better off to go the legal route...no headaches..no freezing
you want PPV, UFC......get it off the net..
Google XBMC...it'll give you everything you need for movies etc.
I've tried everything out there since mid 80's....Time to just watch Tv
Got legal subs to directv HD...group plan that is
And some other providers..
Most people don't even watch Tv...they just love the thrill of the chase
But, according to these posts...the chase is getting costly
Tversity is another option. Although the newest version is pay only you can still get the 'outdated' version.Quote:
Originally Posted by henpecked
Good thing there is still beer and Crown !!!
I just use Netflix now. Took down my dishes years and years ago
Netflix and Torrents and the occasional movie with the wife plus a DirecTV sub here.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noof
Saw the writing on the wall when IKS came out and because of what I specialize in I knew not to play with it. Although there are ways to "beat the system" I'm not willing to gamble $3500 on it. ;)
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Originally Posted by The Noof
The game cycles on and off. I read the game was over when there was no hack for VC2+ over 15 years ago and than so on. If something new comes along the game will restart.
As far as it being worth it. Most times its not really when you add anything you end up paying with all the disruptions plus the legal concern that most don't think of at the time but its a game and the game is getting it without paying the provider for it whether you paid for other things anyway. The game includes the excitement of beating the system so to speak. I am in no way advocating it but as long as there is some way to avoid provider payment there will be a game. If people put it out there people will play.
GS2
Dang you guys go to church every Sunday too??? lol BS is getting so deep and laughing so hard about ready to pop. Someone needs to close this one down.
I don't mean to be disrespectful or anything but when you know what I know about networking and staying anonymous on the 'net its a no win situation to be using IKS. Like I said sure there are ways to beat the system but its a gamble and not one that your run of the mill FTA'er knows about usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by kboom
Laugh all you want...that shows your inexperience in this "game"
I recognize many from the "old" days..even some with new nicks
We started at the beginning....followed it through, to end up here
When I was younger..I enjoyed the "chase"...spent my whole life at the computer...learning., experimenting..
Now, there's nothing left to learn...you're at the mercy of iks providers..
The quality of the product has degraded to the point where I'm sure it would be stressful to watch
Now, no energy or enthusiasm....Just wanna watch TV
It may be BS to you...but we've lived it..
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Originally Posted by kboom
Gunsmoke, I agree..but the VC2+ was never hacked
and as for something new coming out...I think the numbers who would follow into new territory has dwindled to a small fraction
of what it used to be..
You can tell by the posts that the ones that are mostly into IKS are used to being spoonfed..no offense
Give them a "hack" where they would actually have to learn and modify something on their own... ain't gonna happen.
The "old school" end users have mostly moved on.
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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2
Guys being goodie to shoes about not getting a letter is what I'm talking about. It really doesn't serve a purpose other than you think you are better than everyone else. No disrespect to anyone. By the way I was flipping switches for 1's and 0's before Tandy came out with there first and probably while some of you were still in diapers. lol
I think it runs deeper than that though. I see a lot people on these forums that have no idea what a proxy is or how to use it or what kind to use or how to use a VPN or how to set up an anonymous email or that Paypal is not safe. So I think in all honestly a lot of these people are being mislead by the dealers, resellers and those trying to push IKS for a monetary gain. For me its basically about having the knowledge that I know I am not bullet proof. I don't trust my online anonymity to anyone but myself. A lot of these people will put trust in others that they hardly know or don't know at all in some cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by kboom
I just took an ICND I class for Cisco training and I was amazed at some of the questions that popped up. Like this one guy who did loss prevention work for a retail company asking if he used his Blackberry to check email and surf at work on the LAN could they spy on him? Its like "Duh yeah of course they can". Now this is a guy who's studying to be a network administrator and he didn't know something as basic as this? And this is a second year class IMO he should have this knowledge as a prerequisite to entering that class.
So in closing I think a lot of people in the IKS game are basically in over their heads and have no real idea how to protect themselves online.
Could not agree more.
Well you got the diaper part right
I'm wearing em now
Come full circle...can't make it to washroom in time..the age thing, you know
I was never better than anyone...I learned...I taught , kept an open mind and appreciated the help I got.
Don't wanna get into pissin contest...had too many of those...you do whatever
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Originally Posted by kboom
Well, the point I was trying to make with my post was that you can not assume that folks watch what you would watch with a hack--assuming that they do is called "having a bias" and judges for these type of cases should not have a bias. They should not assume that just having the code to do IKS is proof of using them to get thousands of dollars of programming--they have to judge the case on the evidence. And evidence of having the codes is not evidence of substantial wrong doing.
It does not matter what anyone watches. D!sh has elected to seek statutory damages rather than actual. They have a lot more than just buying a code.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvvh5897
well you should well know that this is a civil suit and not a criminal case and in these proceedings you need a preponderance of the evidence and not definitive proof. Basically, they are based on assumption. So in reality all a judge does in these cases is add 2 +2 and if the result is 4 then you are guilty. may not be fair but you can blame that on the guys who wrote the law. Possession of the code is illegal in the eyes of the court. It is like getting busted with a bag of weed, you might not even smoke dope and be holding it for a friend but if you get caught you are guilty simply by association as you are evidently up to no good. Dope is criminal and harder to prove so that is why they make possession itself a crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by jvvh5897
I don't know if that is true or not, but it does not matter, they have a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noof
well if they can show you had possession of the code that is all they need, paypal records can verify that and internet provider logs can confirm use. They wouldn't need any more than that. Now what would be interesting is if somebody decided to fight it and brought a fta box to court with them and challenged them to prove it connected to an IKS server. By the time most of these things show up on the docket the code would be expired. Now granted internet provider logs might still show otherwise but it might be enough for a bored judge to toss it out of court and set a precedent by doing so LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by alex70olds
yea you are right,will it connect,and how much can they prove that you did.man did you study law? I vote nostradamus for spokesperson.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nostradamus
ROTFL ... nope there is one job I do not want.... mowing the grass in the local cemetary keeps me busy enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by rambojoe
Has this action been implemented north of the border to any purchaser yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis