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Originally Posted by sodusme

Yeah I saw that software it runs about $300 I think? That is if you are referring to Elcomsofts software? I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me but its the "tone" they use. You have been respectful in your questioning of "Hey isn't there software that can break that"? This is how we learn about things. And the short answer is YES if you are complacent and lazy as this article says. Otherwise it essentially is not broken. Unless there is something I haven't seen on this and again that is how we learn. I don't know everything and I'm open to being corrected. What I'm not open to is Grave Digger constantly telling me "You don't know what you're talking about" without posting anything to back it up.

From what I'm reading you need to have certain criteria present to be able to retrieve the password.

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Now I'm sure this is info. that the Feds and DN/Nagra or whoever else would have a vested interest in knowing whats on your HDD would rather doesn't get out but its public information.

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Is there not software you can install that will wipe your drive at the click of a mouse? There are people doing more devious things then selling IKS and I'm sure they have their backs covered. I can wipe my phone remotely.........

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Originally Posted by jeldf

Is there not software you can install that will wipe your drive at the click of a mouse? There are people doing more devious things then selling IKS and I'm sure they have their backs covered. I can wipe my phone remotely.........

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There is its known as a D.O.D (Department Of Defense) wipe. You can wipe a HDD with 0's and 1's repeatedly and effectively destroy any contents of the HDD. I should clarify that in that it destroys information you have deleted. To understand how this works think about this: When you "delete" something from a HDD where does it go? Its not like you can physically take that piece of information out of the computer and throw it away. Therefore it remains in the computer. What happens is when you 'delete" something you simply move that block of information to another area in the computer that is "free" (or has no information written to it) until which time that area is overwritten with new data or written to with a wipe of some kind. But that leaves that information retrievable. Like I said until which time the HDD becomes so full that new information is written over that chunk or you intentionally write to that "free" space area with 0's and 1's destroying that data.

That's also why when you reformat a computer you cannot retrieve any information from it since the HDD has been written to with a random combination of 0's and 1's. There is a particularly interesting wipe called a Gutmann which is a 35 pass wipe. In other words it will write a random combination of 0's and 1's to the free space on a HDD 35 times. That will destroy virtually anything on that HDD that might have been retrievable.

Now there are mixed reviews on recovering deleted data after a Gutmann wipe but the D.O.D requires a 7 pass and Gutmanns is a 35 pass. So I'll leave it up to you if you think the Feds or DN/Nagra can recover data after that many passes. Now I should emphasize that SOME data can be retrieved but to retrieve it all is not possible.

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Originally Posted by sodusme

There is its known as a D.O.D (Department Of Defense) wipe. You can wipe a HDD with 0's and 1's repeatedly and effectively destroy any contents of the HDD. I should clarify that in that it destroys information you have deleted. To understand how this works think about this: When you "delete" something from a HDD where does it go? Its not like you can physically take that piece of information out of the computer and throw it away. Therefore it remains in the computer. What happens is when you 'delete" something you simply move that block of information to another area in the computer that is "free" (or has no information written to it) until which time that area is overwritten with new data or written to with a wipe of some kind. But that leaves that information retrievable. Like I said until which time the HDD becomes so full that new information is written over that chunk or you intentionally write to that "free" space area with 0's and 1's destroying that data.

That's also why when you reformat a computer you cannot retrieve any information from it since the HDD has been written to with a random combination of 0's and 1's. There is a particularly interesting wipe called a Gutmann which is a 35 pass wipe. In other words it will write a random combination of 0's and 1's to the free space on a HDD 35 times. That will destroy virtually anything on that HDD that might have been retrievable.

Now there are mixed reviews on recovering deleted data after a Gutmann wipe but the D.O.D requires a 7 pass and Gutmanns is a 35 pass. So I'll leave it up to you if you think the Feds or DN/Nagra can recover data after that many passes. Now I should emphasize that SOME data can be retrieved but to retrieve it all is not possible.

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Would it not cost a lot of $$ to try and get SOME of that data? So I would assume you, like me has a 'kill' system on your PC

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Originally Posted by sodusme

There is its known as a D.O.D (Department Of Defense) wipe. You can wipe a HDD with 0's and 1's repeatedly and effectively destroy any contents of the HDD. I should clarify that in that it destroys information you have deleted. To understand how this works think about this: When you "delete" something from a HDD where does it go? Its not like you can physically take that piece of information out of the computer and throw it away. Therefore it remains in the computer. What happens is when you 'delete" something you simply move that block of information to another area in the computer that is "free" (or has no information written to it) until which time that area is overwritten with new data or written to with a wipe of some kind. But that leaves that information retrievable. Like I said until which time the HDD becomes so full that new information is written over that chunk or you intentionally write to that "free" space area with 0's and 1's destroying that data.

That's also why when you reformat a computer you cannot retrieve any information from it since the HDD has been written to with a random combination of 0's and 1's. There is a particularly interesting wipe called a Gutmann which is a 35 pass wipe. In other words it will write a random combination of 0's and 1's to the free space on a HDD 35 times. That will destroy virtually anything on that HDD that might have been retrievable.

Now there are mixed reviews on recovering deleted data after a Gutmann wipe but the D.O.D requires a 7 pass and Gutmanns is a 35 pass. So I'll leave it up to you if you think the Feds or DN/Nagra can recover data after that many passes. Now I should emphasize that SOME data can be retrieved but to retrieve it all is not possible.

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The provider has been able to get Anton Pillar orders in Canada and orders in the US on a regular basis based on them alleging the defendants will destroy evidence if hit with a regular lawsuit. There has been several past incidents of this happening that they cite in their application for an order. They even use online posts from potential defendants who say something about wiping/destroying evidence.


When they apply for this orders its without the defendants knowing. The courts grant seizure order at a time and location(s) unbeknown to the defendants. Defendants are probably always got off guard. Defendants don't prepare for an unexpected visit with a setup that would allow them to destroy things when the unexpected knock on the door happens usually at more than one location at the same time.


It might happen one day but end users should realize that they should not depend on their information being secured or destroyed in my opinion.



GS2

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Originally Posted by jeldf

Is there not software you can install that will wipe your drive at the click of a mouse? There are people doing more devious things then selling IKS and I'm sure they have their backs covered. I can wipe my phone remotely.........

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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2

The provider has been able to get Anton Pillar orders in Canada and orders in the US on a regular basis based on them alleging the defendants will destroy evidence if hit with a regular lawsuit. There has been several past incidents of this happening that they cite in their application for an order. They even use online posts from potential defendants who say something about wiping/destroying evidence.


When they apply for this orders its without the defendants knowing. The courts grant seizure order at a time and location(s) unbeknown to the defendants. Defendants are probably always got off guard. Defendants don't prepare for an unexpected visit with a setup that would allow them to destroy things when the unexpected knock on the door happens usually at more than one location at the same time.


It might happen one day but end users should realize that they should not depend on their information being secured or destroyed in my opinion.



GS2

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Yes that is exactly why I say prepare instead of despair. Its easier to hide it from the start going forward instead of trying to scramble around after the fact when there is a knock on the door. Your best criminals have nothing to find from the start so a knock on the door is no big deal. ;)

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Originally Posted by sodusme

Yes that is exactly why I say prepare instead of despair. Its easier to hide it from the start going forward instead of trying to scramble around after the fact when there is a knock on the door. Your best criminals have nothing to find from the start so a knock on the door is no big deal. ;)

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Couldn't agree more bud, i'm pretty sure i still have a 1/2 pound of (what was good in those days ) pot in a house i was selling from.

All jokes aside, if you were a pot smoker and recognize the positives of paranoia chances are you are doing a better job as a reseller.

Now, if you have my weed.....ahhh, enjoy.

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Originally Posted by sodusme

There is its known as a D.O.D (Department Of Defense) wipe. You can wipe a HDD with 0's and 1's repeatedly and effectively destroy any contents of the HDD. I should clarify that in that it destroys information you have deleted. To understand how this works think about this: When you "delete" something from a HDD where does it go? Its not like you can physically take that piece of information out of the computer and throw it away. Therefore it remains in the computer. What happens is when you 'delete" something you simply move that block of information to another area in the computer that is "free" (or has no information written to it) until which time that area is overwritten with new data or written to with a wipe of some kind. But that leaves that information retrievable. Like I said until which time the HDD becomes so full that new information is written over that chunk or you intentionally write to that "free" space area with 0's and 1's destroying that data.

That's also why when you reformat a computer you cannot retrieve any information from it since the HDD has been written to with a random combination of 0's and 1's. There is a particularly interesting wipe called a Gutmann which is a 35 pass wipe. In other words it will write a random combination of 0's and 1's to the free space on a HDD 35 times. That will destroy virtually anything on that HDD that might have been retrievable.

Now there are mixed reviews on recovering deleted data after a Gutmann wipe but the D.O.D requires a 7 pass and Gutmanns is a 35 pass. So I'll leave it up to you if you think the Feds or DN/Nagra can recover data after that many passes. Now I should emphasize that SOME data can be retrieved but to retrieve it all is not possible.

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IMHO 1 wipe would probably suffice. Obviously there are forensic softwares that can examine a disk. These softwares look for "ghost traces" on each byte, tries to determine if that byte was previously a 1 or a 0, then outputs a file. This file will have many errors, pictures will have pixelization etc. However, it is still a useful tool. Consider the scenario where terrorists have imported a nuclear device..The authorities just need to find it.....and have seized a hard drive.....they don't care about a few errors, as long as they get a lead as to where to find the bad guys. However a court case is an entirely different animal. It is doubtful that such evidence would ever be admitted. This is because it would not be actual evidence, but "manufactured evidence", the output of a third party software.....

house stinks good!!

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Originally Posted by surfinisfun

Couldn't agree more bud, i'm pretty sure i still have a 1/2 pound of (what was good in those days ) pot in a house i was selling from.

All jokes aside, if you were a pot smoker and recognize the positives of paranoia chances are you are doing a better job as a reseller.

Now, if you have my weed.....ahhh, enjoy.

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house stinks good !!

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Originally Posted by Extintor

house stinks good !!

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lol. Enjoy bud,

My point of course is, if you were or are a reseller in this game you best be as paranoid as someone toking up daily, hopefully smarter too.

analyze this

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Originally Posted by sodusme

Yes that is exactly why I say prepare instead of despair. Its easier to hide it from the start going forward instead of trying to scramble around after the fact when there is a knock on the door. Your best criminals have nothing to find from the start so a knock on the door is no big deal. ;)

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In reality I don't think its going to happen. End users should not rely on that to happen. Sat people don't even see it as criminal.



GS2

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IMHO 1 wipe would probably suffice. Obviously there are forensic softwares that can examine a disk. These softwares look for "ghost traces" on each byte, tries to determine if that byte was previously a 1 or a 0, then outputs a file. This file will have many errors, pictures will have pixelization etc. However, it is still a useful tool. Consider the scenario where terrorists have imported a nuclear device..The authorities just need to find it.....and have seized a hard drive.....they don't care about a few errors, as long as they get a lead as to where to find the bad guys. However a court case is an entirely different animal. It is doubtful that such evidence would ever be admitted. This is because it would not be actual evidence, but "manufactured evidence", the output of a third party software.....

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If you wipe a Hard drive and it can be determined that it was wiped that usually works against a defendant with allegations it was wiped to rid of damaging evidence.



GS2

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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2

If you wipe a Hard drive and it can be determined that it was wiped that usually works against a defendant with allegations it was wiped to rid of damaging evidence.



GS2

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prove there was something illegal on it is all the defendant needs to say
we're talking personal pc's not servers here