DN $3500 demand

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Originally Posted by dishuser

you do realize when you guys changed your nicks a search on the new nick's posts revealed your original nick right?

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No I didn't realise that DU, thanks for pointing that out...one more piece of the puzzle solved lol. Anymore advice from you is appreciated..

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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2

No because IKS is clearly theft of signals by way of circumventing. I might add that we don't know who will win the Microsoft case. It could go their way too. ?


Sure the EFF brief sounds good but you need to see the counter brief because that will also have merit.



GS2

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the signal in no way by way of IKS is being stolen, count out theft the people are paying for service, the circumvention of the keys are where GS2 ?

the only circumvention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Originally Posted by jazzman

That's my intuition exactly. First you get a demand letter for 3.5k then if ignored you get a second for 5k and if ignored again you may or may not hear from them again. My only question is how do they pick the ones to take to court and how much investigating have they done before sending these letters? It seems like a roll of the dice and also what you have posted on these sites (as they have all that info). If, for instance you've changed your nic and your ISP has changed and given you a different IP can they still hold what you posted using the old nic come back to haunt you? So many questions and so few answers....

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it comes down to a few different factors as to who they will pursue,

the first is how much evidence they have against you, in the forms of paypal transactions, email corespondence with the seller, PM corespondence with the seller, and last but not least form posts such as you are "up/down" or "great UFC fight last night", etc etc....

so if your an idiot and post such things then be afraid, be very afraid,

second would be your job/assets....they arn't going to bother with somebody who lives in their parents basement, doesn't have a job, or a bank account, or any possessions, waste of time,

if you are employed with a taxable income and/or you have assets such as a car or house, then they are more likely to come after you, and believe me they will check all this out, its easy to get money from somebody with a job, it will be taken right from your pay check, or they will freeze you bank account and take it from there,

if all else fails they will take your possessions,

if you received a letter it is a roll of the dice as to wether or not they will pursue you in court, so you need to decide if gambling is worth the risk,

if you receive a court summons you are done, they have a slam dunk case, no way out of it, minimum $10,000

if i received a letter (which i won't) the gamble to me would not be worth the risk, i would pay it, i have a good job and many valuable possessions, i wouldn't want something like this on my credit record and screwing up my life for many years to come, you could lose your job over this if your employer found out,

thats just my 2 cents and everybody needs to make their own decisions, but i would recommend seeking legal advice, nobody should go at this and face DN lawyers on their own,

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Originally Posted by jazzman

That's my intuition exactly. First you get a demand letter for 3.5k then if ignored you get a second for 5k and if ignored again you may or may not hear from them again. My only question is how do they pick the ones to take to court and how much investigating have they done before sending these letters? It seems like a roll of the dice and also what you have posted on these sites (as they have all that info). If, for instance you've changed your nic and your ISP has changed and given you a different IP can they still hold what you posted using the old nic come back to haunt you? So many questions and so few answers....

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Changing nic and ip won't help you. They've got your old nic tied to pm's tied to your palpal account..........you're screwed!

Wait a minute though

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Originally Posted by dishuser

you do realize when you guys changed your nicks a search on the new nick's posts revealed your original nick right?

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If you were on here say with the nick abcman and the i.p. of 123.123.123.123 and you dealt with Wuf through PM's and forum posts and then decided to dump that nick and start using defman with a new i.p. of 456.456.456.456 how would they search for forum posts and link those two nicks together? I have some "privileges" at another site that allows me to do a nick search or an i.p. search through the CPanel and the only way I can think this would work is if the forum is running A/E software but even then that is not a given. If the user cleared out his cookies and then never made a reference to that old nick as being his with a post under his new nick there would be no way to tie those together. Forum posts alone won't tie nicks together on these VB forums you have to do an i.p. or a nick search and then only if they are running A/E software to be able to hit on the cookie can they be tied together.

They would have only had the same access that Wuf had through his access on the CPANEL so was he able to even do those types of searches on nicks and i.p.'s?

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Originally Posted by sodusme

Wait a minute though

If you were on here say with the nick abcman and the i.p. of 123.123.123.123 and you dealt with Wuf through PM's and forum posts and then decided to dump that nick and start using defman with a new i.p. of 456.456.456.456 how would they search for forum posts and link those two nicks together? I have some "privileges" at another site that allows me to do a nick search or an i.p. search through the CPanel and the only way I can think this would work is if the forum is running A/E software but even then that is not a given. If the user cleared out his cookies and then never made a reference to that old nick as being his with a post under his new nick there would be no way to tie those together. Forum posts alone won't tie nicks together on these VB forums you have to do an i.p. or a nick search and then only if they are running A/E software to be able to hit on the cookie can they be tied together.

They would have only had the same access that Wuf had through his access on the CPANEL so was he able to even do those types of searches on nicks and i.p.'s?

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I'm referring to the staff who changed their usernames
members had to rejoin
if staff were smart they would have done the same ;)

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Originally Posted by dishuser

I'm referring to the staff who changed their usernames
members had to rejoin
if staff were smart they would have done the same ;)

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if the staff member had no connections with wuf... then there is no need to change usernames

but yes your correct just changing names doesn't mask who you really are

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Originally Posted by Hannibalector

the signal in no way by way of IKS is being stolen, count out theft the people are paying for service, the circumvention of the keys are where GS2 ?

the only circumvention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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Well sure its being stolen. You have to pay the provider to receive them. If you don't than your stealing them. The circumvention occurs when the person takes a receiver loaded with piracy software that circumvents the technology to protect the copyrighted programming.


Seriously if you think IKS is legal than your not looking at this objectively.



GS2

Really what's the point of this thread anymore. All it's turned into is a he said she said argument. Every time someone get's a new letter are we going to start it all over again? Isn't really time to give it a rest? JMHO

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Originally Posted by kboom

Really what's the point of this thread anymore. All it's turned into is a he said she said argument. Every time someone get's a new letter are we going to start it all over again? Isn't really time to give it a rest? JMHO

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I don't think its really regressed into an argument. To me its just bouncing opinions off each other. I know I haven't taken offense to any of it and I would hope no one has taken offense to anything I've offered up.

If even a sliver of what we have discussed in this thread comes to fruition and helps anyone down the road then its a well intentioned thread IMO. Who knows maybe someone will recite some of this to an attorney and he will say "Hey that's not a bad angle" and then pursue it. You never know.

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Originally Posted by sodusme

I don't think its really regressed into an argument. To me its just bouncing opinions off each other. I know I haven't taken offense to any of it and I would hope no one has taken offense to anything I've offered up.

If even a sliver of what we have discussed in this thread comes to fruition and helps anyone down the road then its a well intentioned thread IMO. Who knows maybe someone will recite some of this to an attorney and he will say "Hey that's not a bad angle" and then pursue it. You never know.

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Then in that regard would have to agree with you. Guess you never know. But at least we all should try and keep it to that level.

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Originally Posted by kboom

Really what's the point of this thread anymore. All it's turned into is a he said she said argument. Every time someone get's a new letter are we going to start it all over again? Isn't really time to give it a rest? JMHO

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To be honest, its all he said he said......unless nag/dn is going to post here.

Yea, we are just chatting.

Although, i'm sure our friends are looking in from time to time. ;)

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Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2

Well sure its being stolen. You have to pay the provider to receive them. If you don't than your stealing them. The circumvention occurs when the person takes a receiver loaded with piracy software that circumvents the technology to protect the copyrighted programming.


Seriously if you think IKS is legal than your not looking at this objectively.



GS2

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Thats a different burden of proof, IMO,

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Originally Posted by stilled

Thats a different burden of proof, IMO,

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nice post goose, i mean boozman, damn, i mean sellout.. ah hell... perhaps your email account was h4x0r3d here too lol

heh

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Originally Posted by b33r_hunter

nice post goose, i mean boozman, damn, i mean sellout.. ah hell... perhaps your email account was h4x0r3d here too lol

heh

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Hey its been awhile how are things?

lol sorry for the hijack !!!