Letter now Court case

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Originally Posted by smallyjohnson

not trying to start a argument here ...however I have read each and every post in thread ...and the question remains ...was it posted on pacer? or was the OP with one post only just putting it up there for us to see.....i have a freind who lives in IL and they sent him 3 different demand letters .one asking for 3500 and a admission of guilt...the next..was another demanding 5000....the next was a complaint such as the one posted...with the SAME as the OP and no atty filled in AND a improper court juristiction listed ... again just asking.... i also read alex70olds post about 9 so far i assume they are listed on pacer ....

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Here is new one today (#9, unless I miscounted again, running out of fingers lol) Notice case # is hand written in.

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Originally Posted by alex70olds

I cant count, and you need a geograghy lesson lmao.

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Umm I thought the only Northern State was Alaska..LOL

thank you for the clarification

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Originally Posted by JCO

Umm I thought the only Northern State was Alaska..LOL

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Nope; anything north of Santa Barbara would constitute a northern state, eh eh. ;)

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Originally Posted by alex70olds

Here is new one today (#9, unless I miscounted again, running out of fingers lol) Notice case # is hand written in.

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Same suit, just with a different defendant.

The only thing they have on him, is his purchase of a sub to an IKS server. That's it.

Paragraphs 26, "defendant used a pirate satellite receiver", and 34, "defendant engaged in the unauthorized reception of DN's satellite programming" are speculation; they show no evidence of his ownership of a receiver, nor his actual viewing of their programming.

The defendant could simply say, "I was going to try it, but decided not to", and they would have no way of refuting that, unless they went to the trouble of accessing his ISP records, and locating his connections to the server IP. So far, we have not heard of them going to that length. They have simply been using a purchase paper trail for their extortion basis.

I think their game plan is a hope that they can get one or more judgments in their favor, using this limited "evidence", and then use those as precedents to go after the thousand that DU suggested may happen, and I would believe that that's what's gonna take place.

I still do not think they have enough to get a court order ..for isp records...and some do not keep them long either .
Even government has a hard enough time to get them ...unless is pidos or as bad or worse . But lets not go there .

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Originally Posted by fifties

Same suit, just with a different defendant.

The only thing they have on him, is his purchase of a sub to an IKS server. That's it.

Paragraphs 26, "defendant used a pirate satellite receiver", and 34, "defendant engaged in the unauthorized reception of DN's satellite programming" are speculation; they show no evidence of his ownership of a receiver, nor his actual viewing of their programming.

The defendant could simply say, "I was going to try it, but decided not to", and they would have no way of refuting that, unless they went to the trouble of accessing his ISP records, and locating his connections to the server IP. So far, we have not heard of them going to that length. They have simply been using a purchase paper trail for their extortion basis.

I think their game plan is a hope that they can get one or more judgments in their favor, using this limited "evidence", and then use those as precedents to go after the thousand that DU suggested may happen, and I would believe that that's what's gonna take place.

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Unless they paid the said defendants a visit and confiscated a sat receiver then yes you're right pure speculation.

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Originally Posted by Anubis

Unless they paid the said defendants a visit and confiscated a sat receiver then yes you're right pure speculation.

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not really!

say John Doe bought a code from Wufman. before he did that he was on here wanting to know how to contact him. After the purchase he was on here thanking wuf for the quick service or looking for help on how to configure his NFPS code. All that info is public domain and would be enough to hang somebody out to dry once they are already cornered. Now it might not be enough evidence for DN to get an award but it is certainly enough circumstantial evidence to make a defense lawyer squirm and rack up a big bill for the defendant. DN is hoping you just settle rather than get saddled with a large lawyer bill is what is going on. The other thing to take into consideration is that this is civil and not criminal proceedings so all DN has to do is have enough evidence to "make" you look guilty to win the case. Anybody going into court and intending on using ignorance, stupidity, or some other half baked idea like yes I bought a code but I never got it to work may as well save their breath. Unless you have some real proof like you were in Afghanistan when the code was purchased and only returned home after the demand letter showed up then you are better off just to pay the extortion fee because what else could you possibly use for proof over a time period of that length?

Yup, overlooked the posting in public thing which would be tightening the noose.

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

not really!

say John Doe bought a code from Wufman. before he did that he was on here wanting to know how to contact him. After the purchase he was on here thanking wuf for the quick service or looking for help on how to configure his NFPS code. All that info is public domain and would be enough to hang somebody out to dry once they are already cornered. Now it might not be enough evidence for DN to get an award but it is certainly enough circumstantial evidence to make a defense lawyer squirm and rack up a big bill for the defendant.

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I would certainly agree that it's damning evidence, and may just be enough to push the scale balance slightly in their favor, which is all they need in civil.

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

hoping you just settle rather than get saddled with a large lawyer bill is what is going on.

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That's it exactly, and the same way Dave did it, a dozen years ago. The $3500 first letter settlement figure wasn't just dreamed up; it's purposely below what a defense attorney would charge. The $5000 second letter settlement is prolly close to what the attorney's fee would be.

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Originally Posted by Nostradamus

The other thing to take into consideration is that this is civil and not criminal proceedings so all DN has to do is have enough evidence to "make" you look guilty to win the case. Anybody going into court and intending on using ignorance, stupidity, or some other half baked idea like yes I bought a code but I never got it to work may as well save their breath. Unless you have some real proof like you were in Afghanistan when the code was purchased and only returned home after the demand letter showed up then you are better off just to pay the extortion fee because what else could you possibly use for proof over a time period of that length?

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What does the timeframe have to do with anything? Purchasing a code to an IKS server is not illegal, AFAIK. DN would attempt to tie that with ownership of a receiver and dish, but have offered no evidence of that in their suit. The main damage is in their causing a legal defense cost, large to the average person.

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Originally Posted by fifties

I would certainly agree that it's damning evidence, and may just be enough to push the scale balance slightly in their favor, which is all they need in civil.


That's it exactly, and the same way Dave did it, a dozen years ago. The $3500 first letter settlement figure wasn't just dreamed up; it's purposely below what a defense attorney would charge. The $5000 second letter settlement is prolly close to what the attorney's fee would be.


What does the timeframe have to do with anything? Purchasing a code to an IKS server is not illegal, AFAIK. DN would attempt to tie that with ownership of a receiver and dish, but have offered no evidence of that in their suit. The main damage is in their causing a legal defense cost, large to the average person.

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so I bought a gram of cocaine just to see what it looked like should get me off if caught?lol

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Originally Posted by dishuser

so I bought a gram of cocaine just to see what it looked like should get me off if caught?lol

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How about I bought it to give it as a gift to someone that has a numbers habit..LOL

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Originally Posted by JCO

How about I bought it to give it as a gift to someone that has a numbers habit..LOL

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I'm good with that..lol
but these guys who are being sued cause of wuf are screwed
looks like they might finally realize it's illegal to steal
remember the chocolate bar commercial?lol

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Originally Posted by dishuser

I'm good with that..lol
but these guys who are being sued cause of wuf are screwed
looks like they might finally realize it's illegal to steal
remember the chocolate bar commercial?lol

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Ya I heard about your adiction to the number 69..LOL

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Originally Posted by dishuser

so I bought a gram of cocaine just to see what it looked like should get me off if caught?lol

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Do we know that purchasing a code to an IKS server is against the law? If so, I stand corrected.