They each may be looking at a minimum of two years prison.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc<dot>ca/en/news/2022/five-charged-unlawfully-distributing-tv-signals
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They each may be looking at a minimum of two years prison.
https://www.rcmp-grc.gc<dot>ca/en/news/2022/five-charged-unlawfully-distributing-tv-signals
where's the document?
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Originally Posted by dishuser
Code:https://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/en/news/2022/five-charged-unlawfully-distributing-tv-signals
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i only see an article checked torrent didnt see any docs ?Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
that was my pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Highwayman
nothing but criminal charges, so rules are a little different than civil
you will only see documents once the case starts and even then only the ones that aren't under some kind of publication ban
https://www.satfix.to/forumdisplay.p...t-Page-Stories
no document it gets posted there ;)
its there now
lol ... makes sense but it might have been simpler if you just said that to start with :noidea:Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
Isn't this the second IPTV service to be halted in the last few weeks?
only if you're excluding europeQuote:
Originally Posted by cmangle
i have friends in the uk used to own homes in france and italyQuote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
in the uk the fines are around 800euros ppl used to get cited a lot for streaming
laliga without paying but not so much anymore they say its to widespread what they
mean is to many hackers lol iptv was made by hackers all those legal streaming
services hackers did it first.you still see some services get popped usually after being served
and trying to move it.
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Originally Posted by MarvinGardens
I would say that is very unlikely based on previous case history though here there are multiple charges. In the past there were charges under Section 327(1) where the penalties were quite light. Canada has never imposed harsh penalties on TV theft/fraud cases. Not to say they couldn't, just typically its not been.
Now they are also charged with 380(1)(a) & Section 326 . Don't recall past cases with those sections so combined with 327(1) if found guilty on all three, could be some significant jail time. Even then, think ( speculating ) would not exceed a year. Likely would plea deal to one charge, rather then take it to trial.( speculation again )
Have not seen the RCMP involved in TV theft signals in a very long time unless I missed something.
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I think MarvinGardens was referring to the mandatory minimum sentence that applies to fraud over $1 million.
If found guilty and the fraud is over $1 million then the mandatory minimum sentence of 2 years kicks in.
I understood that mandatory sentence was created more for investment fraud like Ponzi/pyramid schemes that involved a large amount of innocent victims. After some high profile cases of this type, it was felt sentences were too soft.
Now it could apply to this satellite case also, just not sure as it was not intended reason why the sentence change was made to section 380(1), unless I have that wrong.
Courts can come down hard on individuals charged with fraud depending on a number of factors, but can also be sympathetic. The victims here appears to be commercial businesses, not innocent victims who stand to lose life savings, retirement funds, etc. Could be the minimum 2 year sentence, or maybe not, for me not completely sure. Can't find any case law related to sentencing for satellite fraud ( 380(1)a. Likely will end up in a plea deal anyway, unless they feel they have a defense, and take their chances at trial. In Criminal, for conviction, "intent" needs to be shown, that they intended to criminally violate the statute and that they knew they were doing it. I suppose, a long shot, would be to argue they did not think their business was illegal, or Criminal fraud, that they were defrauding. They sold a service, provided it, it was received, no complaints, so where was the fraud. Now I know that sounds quite weak but what previous court case is there, that would given a heads up, that they were committing fraud under 380(1). Yes ignorance of the law is not a defense. The other two charges 326 & 327 deal with theft, sell, distribute of Telecommunication service which relates more direct to the behavior. Just not sure how strong the case is against 380(1) while the other charges seem more clear to me.
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Ensuing sections of the Code describe “intent” as a crucial component of fraud charges and subsequent legal precedents set by Canadian courts mandates that the Crown has to prove intent to secure a conviction.
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380 (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service
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