The first wolfman case just filed
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The first wolfman case just filed
Hello and welcome to Satfix! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChillyWilly
Hello and Welcome to Satfix and I guess this action answers a lot of questions !!!!!
Hello and Welcome to Satfix! Thanks for your post! lol
did anybody read page 6, is this an end user or is it wuf,s partner and they cant find him,hmmmmm.
it's wufQuote:
Originally Posted by iq180
read it again
what I would like to know is...what's gonna happen to Mr Dixon after this is over?
does he get off after throwing everyone under the Bus
call and ask himQuote:
Originally Posted by Glock20C
you think he'll pick up?Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
ya never know...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Glock20C
Well he might as well he's been talking to everyone else- prickQuote:
Originally Posted by Glock20C
This is a court case against a end user by the name of KAILAS MAGI. Not wuffman.
It clearly states that the said defendant purchased codes from wuff in page one.
Guess Nagra are going after those that are ignoring their letters after all.
Or if there are those curious enough try Pacer..ie ...Public Access to Court Electronic Records (PACER) is an electronic public access service that allows users to obtain case and docket information from federal appellate, district and bankruptcy courts, and the PACER Case Locator via the Internet. PACER is provided by the federal Judiciary in keeping with its commitment to providing public access to court information via a centralized service.
I believe this is where the document came from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Recove52
That paper trail of the payment, and resultant codes seem to be all that they feel they need, for a successful litigation.
Of course, they can't prove that the defendant actually watched their programming; their entire case is built on him having simply purchased the codes.
In fact, I don't see any proof that he even has a satellite dish or receiver, which are necessary to complete the "crime". He could always testify that he purchased the codes with the intent to buy a receiver and dish, then thought against it, and let it go.
The problem is, he will have to pay an attorney to bring that up in court, and lawyers ain't cheap.
It would cost you minimum $7500.00 to have a defense so best is to settle only cost them $400.00 to file against you , Then if you bury your head good chance default judgement of $10,000 will be on you . Good luck with that.
That would not be advisable as it could very well result in a criminal matter prosecuted by the US Attorney.Quote:
Originally Posted by fifties
See "18 USC 1621". It carries a maximum of five years prison.
Notice they're sticking close to the lawyer's home base - Texas. If I got a letter in Texas I'd seriously consider negotiating a pre-lawsuit settlement.
that's where they started with DA and then they moved furtherQuote:
Originally Posted by hondoharry
There are 2 more now, in Indiana.
A friend of mine met Dave in court, who was suing her solely on the basis that she bought an unlooper from a busted dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheff
She beat them, but it cost her the 5 grand they were trying to extort, in her legal fees. She was damned however, if her money was gonna go to Dave, lol.
Of course an attorney's advice on this would be the last word.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvinGardens
They may be able to photograph a satellite dish on one's rooftop, but "it was there when I moved in" would be difficult for them to disprove, and it's doubtful that they could show evidence of purchase or ownership of a satellite receiver.
how is it other resellers feel safe unless not based in us or even canada hope they r in mexico or offshore like the mothership server.did some1 from dn buy codes off wuf & thats how he got in trouble? lot ???? mite be answered soon.
that's exactly what happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by caretaker69
read the docs
curious though,,, why isnt this posted on satscums?Quote:
Originally Posted by Anubis
to me,,, its all so ridiculous,,,to think a person can donate (buy a code)
and claimant not even have to PROVE it was even used??? something wrong with this world
when DN and their lawyers can even make such a case,,,so then if
they can point to an enduser connecting to servers?? wouldnt thousands and thousands more be
in same boat,,,thhis is cherry picking at its best,,,
or, it can be a test case for going after endusers,,,imho
They have 3 they served so far. Rest assured there is more coming. Satsc**ms is not going to post each individual on a daily basis. Wait and I am sure you are going to see a whole list of end users that judgment was made against. It just the trickling effect right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftaalltheway
there are 4 more now for a total of 5, but i must say i dont understand how they can prove a dollar amount when they cant proveQuote:
Originally Posted by ftaalltheway
the code was ever used.
notice how they word it a "pirate satellite receiver" as opposed to an FTA receiver
that claim is full of crapola
they are actually trying to make it look like the enduser is actually decrypting the signal
by saying they are receiving the CW that is coming from the IKS server, blah blah blah
,,,lil known fact
forgotten by many,,,few yrs back, DN used to have a channel advising endusers they might be watching
their channels illegally if using anything other than their own equipment, along thos lines
anyways, he went on to say, words to the effect,,,"if you had someone install equipment
that gives you access to free channels, pls know it is illegal" and youd be better to contact us to subscribe
with propper equipment,,,these installers are selling you unauthorized equipment and is illegal
this was all an attempt to scare many BUT they realized that many endusers were fully UNAWARE
they were breaking any laws under the DMC...
once THAT message failed, DN tried other tactics,,,this is their last ditched attempt,,,after reading this claim
i would be floored if they won,,,unless of course they have lawyers working both sides of the fence,,and WHO would be the wiser??
i wished i had loads and loads $$$$$ i would happily pay that endusers' lawyer fees
BUT i would
make damned sure I would get the very best and who could care LESS
about DN and their cronies and show the judge just how DESPERATE they are,,,
they can't...yet they are still claimingQuote:
Originally Posted by iq180
Defendant violated 47 U.S.C. § 605(a) willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain
to which a GOOD lawyer should argue,,,there is and never was a "commercial advantage" and/or "financial gain"
as an ENDUSER
therefore the damages to DN are inconsequential,,,the judgement, then, if anything
should be in the mere hundreds
NOT thousands like those who sell the hardware and decrypt signals
...BUT we all know they always get a judge to see it their way,,,well, in the past
hopefully a new judge will see this for what it TRULY is,,,"scare mongering" at its best
if DN dont want endusers to view their shiate for FREE,??? go after the servers THERE is your
problem,,otherwise IKS will ive on as long as you cant touch them,,,now i cant wait till they go
after all endusers who loaded the software (bins) from all those sites they took over (shut down)
so laughable :) :)
From reading everything that I found about the purchases and Law actions, the common element seems to be Pay Pal and of course the Mod that helped !!! Has anyone seen anything else ???
Under the DMCA they can seek actuall damages OR Statutory (isp?) claims. It is what we do in the US, bow to lobbiests.Quote:
Originally Posted by iq180
No sure if it was anything do with case... But i was told there server was hack no one know who the hacker was or how much information they got. There server was hack at the beginning of this month and the case started roll out on 18. But if all they have is person buying donate that a long shot for dn imo. They much have getting more info that we don't know about or going after people that brought code over long period of time (like every 10-12 month) don't know how long of record W guy keep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftaalltheway
Besides statutory damages, you also could be liable for DN's attorney fees which could total into the thousands.Quote:
Originally Posted by alex70olds
if DN had anything to do with that hack they cant use that info in court, infact they would be in more trouble than the end users,Quote:
Originally Posted by sat*
so if they do have that server info its no good to them.
His rcords went back to at least Jan of 2011, as seen in the forth case filed.Quote:
Originally Posted by sat*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Complaint Echostar V Haubner
They won't win the case based on solely purchasing codes. Not sure if they plan on digging into his IP logs but even then they would have to match the server side to prove what he was connecting to.Quote:
Originally Posted by fifties
if they didn't think they could win they wouldn' t botherQuote:
Originally Posted by forzaazzurri
They would bother if it scares the **** out of everyone who gets a demand letter to show they mean business.Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
100's of demand letters and only 1 court case filed ????
theyll b a few more BUT certainly NOT the thousands one wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by forzaazzurri
expect going on all the sites they shut down ...to me, paypal has NOTHING to do
with this case...they simply found out where wufman was operating out of and went after his ass and got lucky
much like nfusion fiasco while back,,,
one day they scared peeps into thinking all you needed to do was dll a bin
and WHAMMO your toast,,,heck even FTA sites were closing shop to protect all peeps
why?? cuz DN scared them into it,,,you cant tell me DN dont still have all records of those sites
of all peeps that logged in and dll files and bins to CIRCUMVENT their signal via FTA
receivers,,,i mean,,, like i says, reading between the lines here,,,this is a TEST case
no skin off their nose, peanuts really,, in grand scheme of things
if they win?? then maybe the list grows in leaps and bounds BUT that still doesnt stop the
train,,,iks servers will still connect,,, no matter
At least six already filed spanning from Texas to Florida to Indiana to Kentucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by forzaazzurri
More than one.Quote:
Originally Posted by forzaazzurri
Not sure what you consider a few more but having 5 different individual cases in less than 4 days tells me there's a lot more coming down the pipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by ftaalltheway
These are dates from 2011. Wuffman sold up until when? oh ya, mid 2012. You do the math. I think you are going to see more than a "few" on this one. JMO