Switch for Sats 119,110 and 91

In another Forum on here I posted a question of not being able to get the 2 blue to green bars for S and Q in the Dish Settings. I am asking if maybe because issues with my BAFF DISEqC Swtiches, and maybe my Zinwell Multi Satellite Switches I should just buy 1 new Switch for 3 Sats to 2 Receivers to get rid of my issues. What is the name of this switch, and is it a 8x2 switch? I have a 22x18" Elliptical dishes seating 3 DBS / Circular Dual LNBF LNBs. On my Dish Settings I have 119, LNB Power On, LNB Type Single. LNB Frequency 11.250, LNB 22KHz Off, DISEqC SW 1.0 PORT 1. There is nothing on DISEqC SW1.1 or on Legacy SW because they are all turned off. For Sats 110 SW 1.0 PORT 2, and 91 SW 1.0 PORT 3. Thanks in advance.

i used to run 3 lnbs to 2 rcvrs no issues.I ran one cable from each lnb to one diseq to each rcvr

That the way I used to run it before the way you did, but now I get good signal then it turns to bad signal with red bars. Also the Dreamlink T5 reboots itself sometimes. Could it be because that the BAFF Switches have gone bad? One of the switches has rust on it but has not eaten through. I don't know if I should stick to just 1 multi switch which is hard to find an 8x2 these days.

What switches are you using? Thanks in advance.

I was using chieta in a similar setup

I think I was using the same as Herkimer

This all depends on the LNB's, a DP type can use a simple 4x1 Diseqc switch, to add a second or third receiver a DPP44 switch can be used.

But if your mixing LNB types you will run into switching problems.

All LNB's should be of the same type, if they are legacy (+13 and +18 volt switching) and you need to switch to more then one reciver then a SW64 switch should be used.


Posting the type(s) of LNB's used would help us quite a bit.

First I would remove all the switches and connect each lnb directly to the receiver with a barrel connector, if you get a good signal on all 3 sats and both receivers then your LNB's and lines are all good.
Your issue then might be when connecting 2 receivers with diseqc switches & legacy lnb’s, if 1 receiver freezes when switching and “no signal” is displayed it could be low signal isolation in the lnb causing leakage into the other port. To test this disconnect one of the diseqc switches and see if the other receiver still connected to a diseqc now functions properly and gets a good signal. Get good quality diseqc switches like Emp Centauri switches and that should solve the problem.

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Originally Posted by Terryl

This all depends on the LNB's, a DP type can use a simple 4x1 Diseqc switch, to add a second or third receiver a DPP44 switch can be used.

But if your mixing LNB types you will run into switching problems.

All LNB's should be of the same type, if they are legacy (+13 and +18 volt switching) and you need to switch to more then one reciver then a SW64 switch should be used.


Posting the type(s) of LNB's used would help us quite a bit.

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All 3 LNBs from eliptical dish for sats 119,110 and 91 are all standard dual LNBs......Picture is attached.Attachment 26784

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

First I would remove all the switches and connect each lnb directly to the receiver with a barrel connector, if you get a good signal on all 3 sats and both receivers then your LNB's and lines are all good.
Your issue then might be when connecting 2 receivers with diseqc switches & legacy lnb’s, if 1 receiver freezes when switching and “no signal” is displayed it could be low signal isolation in the lnb causing leakage into the other port. To test this disconnect one of the diseqc switches and see if the other receiver still connected to a diseqc now functions properly and gets a good signal. Get good quality diseqc switches like Emp Centauri switches and that should solve the problem.

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Yes I will do that starting with the 91 sat which will be for the box that only has 91. Do you think if I get good Q and S that I could just leave it that way and then wrap electrical tape around the coax cable and barrel connector instead of getting a new switch unless I want 91 on the other box too?

Dreamlink's seem to be picky about switches, I had nothing but problems (switching) when i used Emp Centauri brand
when i changed to chieta brand switches my problems went away (all Legacy setup)
It all seems to boil down to power issues, (long cable runs, DP/DP plus LNB's, etc. take more power to operate) which
the dreamlink and other brand rec. seem to have a problem with.

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Originally Posted by auggie

Dreamlink's seem to be picky about switches, I had nothing but problems (switching) when i used Emp Centauri brand
when i changed to chieta brand switches my problems went away (all Legacy setup)

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Please check out Post #8 which I have 3 dual standard LNBs from 1 eliptical dish not Legacy. However on the 21-22" round dish I do have 1 dual Legacy LNB which is not being used right now.

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Originally Posted by lionking

All 3 LNBs from eliptical dish for sats 119,110 and 91 are all standard dual LNBs......Picture is attached.Attachment 26784

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That is a standard LINEAR LNB, it can't be used for 91,110 or 119, as those satellites are circular polarization only, you would need a DP dual type LNB that is for a circular polarized satellite.

This could be why your not getting anything if you truly have those type of LNB in use.

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Originally Posted by Terryl

That is a standard LINEAR LNB, it can't be used for 91,110 or 119, as those satellites are circular polarization only, you would need a DP dual type LNB that is for a circular polarized satellite.

This could be why your not getting anything if you truly have those type of LNB in use.

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Sorry about that I took another look at the LNBs which a lot of them look alike and now I remember it is a universal standard dual LNB shown here...

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So are these the LNB's that you have installed on the dish? If so then they will not work for those satellites.

You would need three of these.
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Or if you do not have the correct bracket for that type then you would need three of these.

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As most universal LNB's are linear.

Sorry, but no the picture you have are the legacy LNB which I have on the other dish.

The 3 LNBs on the eliptical dish do not have a hood over them. The linear and the universal standard LNBs look alike, but I did get good S and Q from those LNBs before.

In fact I tried to disconnect sat 91 LNB from the BAFF switch and then connected to the out cable going to one box to a barrel connector and the other part of the barrel connector is sat 91 and I am getting good S and Q green to blue bars now so far it is not the LNB.

I will try this also with sats 110 and 119 1 at a time with the barrel connector on the other coax cable to the other box then let you know if good S and Q then it must be the DiSEqC switch or switches.

when you are moving cables,switches, disconnect/connect, etc. are you shutting down "EVERYTHING"
If not, then you most likely have a blown Switch or LNB etc.

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Originally Posted by lionking

Sorry, but no the picture you have are the legacy LNB which I have on the other dish.

The 3 LNBs on the eliptical dish do not have a hood over them. The linear and the universal standard LNBs look alike, but I did get good S and Q from those LNBs before.

In fact I tried to disconnect sat 91 LNB from the BAFF switch and then connected to the out cable going to one box to a barrel connector and the other part of the barrel connector is sat 91 and I am getting good S and Q green to blue bars now so far it is not the LNB.

I will try this also with sats 110 and 119 1 at a time with the barrel connector on the other coax cable to the other box then let you know if good S and Q then it must be the DiSEqC switch or switches.

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The photo I posted is of a DP standard (not legacy) LNB, the legacy LNB's use +13 and +18 volts to switch between transponder polaritys, they are not inter-mixable. (DP standard/Legacy)

This will cause all sorts of problems, (Now or later) the DP standard dual output LNB will run two receivers off it's ports, so you can use two Diseqc switches to run all 3 LNB's into two receivers.

Or use a DPP44 switch to run all 3 DP tpye LNB's and 3 FTA receivers, less to go wrong.

Is there anyway you can post some photos of your LNB's, this will clear up things.

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Originally Posted by Terryl

The photo I posted is of a DP standard (not legacy) LNB, the legacy LNB's use +13 and +18 volts to switch between transponder polaritys, they are not inter-mixable. (DP standard/Legacy)

This will cause all sorts of problems, (Now or later) the DP standard dual output LNB will run two receivers off it's ports, so you can use two Diseqc switches to run all 3 LNB's into two receivers.

Or use a DPP44 switch to run all 3 DP tpye LNB's and 3 FTA receivers, less to go wrong.

Is there anyway you can post some photos of your LNB's, this will clear up things.

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Unfortunately I cannot take a pic of my LNBs except d/l that pic that comes close to what they look like,

All LNBs do work because I have used coax cable between barrel connector working on sat 91 and now on 110.

I will not be using sat 119 being that it is a weak satellite.

The next question since 2 of the LNBs will work with barrel connector with full S and Q blue green bars then I should go with another DiSEQc switch, but don't know if a Chieta Switch is the one to go with.

Thank you for your feed back.

The HD Chieta Switch is a Good quality one to use and cost less than the EMP diseq switch

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Originally Posted by auggie

The HD Chieta Switch is a Good quality one to use and cost less than the EMP diseq switch

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I have tried to connect sat 91 with a barrel connector to one box, and then sat 110 to another barrel connector and then to box. So I know now that the BAFF Switch has failed and will have to go with 2 HD Chieta Switches instead. The LNBS are OK or I would not get blue to green for S and Q on Dish Settings.

I thought the BAFF Switch was good but not as good as the Chieta.

Thank you all for your help, but I found that after waiting awhile for my Chieta Switch it seems to have done the trick for one receiver. Now I have to do is order another one for the other receiver.

Sorry for all these posts in this thread, but I have an update after trying the a new Chieta Heavy Duty DiSEqC Switch and it did for awhile.

Unfortunately it stopped working and I had to go with the barrel connector between either Sat 110 or Sat 91 and the receiver the coax cable was connected to.

The LNBs I have as I said before are all 15 year old ones and at one time worked with what you said are Linear LNBs.

The Dishpro LNB you have pictured there look the same as used on the b$v Dishes with a 'D' base.

If I do replace the old LNBs with the one you said will it work with a Chieta DiSEqC Switch or another type of swith.

Thanks in advance.

When you are moving things around (connect/disconnect, cables,switches,etc.) are you "SHUTTING DOWN EVERYTHING"
INCLUDING the box/rec. another words unplugging, complete shutdown of equipment.
If you are not doing that, then something either has shorted/blown out (switch,LNB,rec. power supply, etc.)

I suggest getting Legacy LNB'S if you plan on replacement, they are not as hard to setup, and not as power hungry as the dishpro stuff

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Originally Posted by auggie

When you are moving things around (connect/disconnect, cables,switches,etc.) are you "SHUTTING DOWN EVERYTHING"
INCLUDING the box/rec. another words unplugging, complete shutdown of equipment.
If you are not doing that, then something either has shorted/blown out (switch,LNB,rec. power supply, etc.)

I suggest getting Legacy LNB'S if you plan on replacement, they are not as hard to setup, and not as power hungry as the dishpro stuff

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Yes I always shut down everything when I do this. I may have Legacy LNBs already, but they could be too old now to take a switch.

I will look up Legacy LNBs just to make sure those are the ones on my Dish, and then post the pic on here.

The first one is a Legacy LNB.

The second one is one that is used on mostly b$v dishes.

The third one is the one I have on my dish which is a Dual DSS LNB LO which is used mostly for DN Dishes.

Please tell what you think and I can always replace the old LNBs for new ones, and also have to get a new Yoke Adapter for these LNBs.

Thanks in advance.

OK, D-PRO, D-Pro-Plus, etc. should be labeled/marked right on the LNB,

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Originally Posted by lionking

The first one is a Legacy LNB.

The second one is one that is used on mostly b$v dishes.

The third one is the one I have on my dish which is a Dual DSS LNB LO which is used mostly for DN Dishes.

Please tell what you think and I can always replace the old LNBs for new ones, and also have to get a new Yoke Adapter for these LNBs.

Thanks in advance.

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THE FIRST one is the one you want, (Legacy) second one looks like a DP (BUILT-IN SWITCH) THIRD one Looks like a LINEAR DTV not for DN

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Originally Posted by auggie

OK, D-PRO, D-Pro-Plus, etc. should be labeled/marked right on the LNB,

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I don't think I have a D-PRo or a D-Pro-Plus, but I can tell u what is written on each one one my LNBs I have on the dish.

First one is Cal Amp Compatibility with Direct-TV

Second LNB Compatibility with Direct-TV

Third LNB states the same.

They all look the same as picture number 3.

They may look like a linear LNB, but when I did a search it

As you can see the color picture which is the first one is a Standard LNB for DIRECTV also used for DN.

On the third picture.....LNB Chart my LNB is the third one over....not a Linear LNB because if it was it would have never worked with the DiSEqC Switch before.

I was able to switch from Sat 110 to Sat 91 without and issue with switches on there but it died that way.

Also leaving it on 11250 and single seemed to do the trick too.

You tell me I should go with the Legacy LNBs then I will do it.

Thanks for your help.

Suggest you go to the Sat HARDWARE DISCUSSIONS & Pictures forum and get this,"Installation guide for Legacy LNBs & Switches"

and any other info related to dish setups and LNB & switches to use with each ?

i am no expert on this, just offering what has worked for me, (my stuff ALL Legacy setup)

I have found out even if I switched over to Legacy LNBs and a sw21 or 44 switch I would need a separate Satellite Dish.

It would be one dish for each Receiver because I have two Dreamlink HD Receivers.

I would have Sat 110, 91 and 82 on each Dish.

That is correct, dish-1 110&119 dish-2 91&82 going to 2-Chieta switches
one for each receiver

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Originally Posted by auggie

That is correct, dish-1 110&119 dish-2 91&82 going to 2-Chieta switches
one for each receiver

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Wouldn't it be better if it was dish-1 110&91 dish-2 the same each one having its own Chieta switch.

If you do the above dish-1 110&119 dish-2 91&82 going to 2-Chieta switches

one for each receiver one receiver will get 110 but not 91 or 82...the other receiver will get 91 and/or 82 but not 110

dish-1 Chieta switch will have 110 on Port2 and 91 on Port 3 the same on dish-2

That all depends on the sat. equipment you have (dishes,LNB type,etc.) to be setup and what Sats you want to point at
For mine I have 2-seperate dishes, one pointed at 110&119 and the second one pointed at 91&82
Four wires coming off each dish into a 4x2 legacy switch for each, going to 2-Chieta switches 1-for each rec.
All legacy equipment

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Originally Posted by lionking

Wouldn't it be better if it was dish-1 110&91 dish-2 the same each one having its own Chieta switch.

If you do the above dish-1 110&119 dish-2 91&82 going to 2-Chieta switches

one for each receiver one receiver will get 110 but not 91 or 82...the other receiver will get 91 and/or 82 but not 110

dish-1 Chieta switch will have 110 on Port2 and 91 on Port 3 the same on dish-2

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If you are using all "single" LNB's then all that's needed is 2 quality diseqc switches to get all 4 sats to both receivers, and make sure your system is properly grounded, see pic below.........

Attachment 26809

For three (3) satellites I would use a separate dish with a single DPP LNB for 91, then a Dish 500 with a DPP twin LNB on it for 110/119, you can then run the coax from the single DPP LNB to the external LNB input on the DPP twin LNB, it has it's own internal switch and will run two receivers.

Switching would be ...Diseqc port #1 = 119, Diseqc port #2 = 110, Diseqc port #3 = 91.....This for both receivers.

Less things to go wrong.....

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Originally Posted by Terryl

For three (3) satellites I would use a separate dish with a single DPP LNB for 91, then a Dish 500 with a DPP twin LNB on it for 110/119, you can then run the coax from the single DPP LNB to the external LNB input on the DPP twin LNB, it has it's own internal switch and will run two receivers.

Switching would be ...Diseqc port #1 = 119, Diseqc port #2 = 110, Diseqc port #3 = 91.....This for both receivers.

Less things to go wrong.....

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The DP-Plus twin lnb is a bit of a power hog, wouldn't an fta receiver have a problem powering it especially when running another single lnb into it?

Yes it would, and no way around it.

So the best bet is 3 single DP type LNB's and a Diseqc 4 x 2 switch with dual outputs like the one from EMP.

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Or go back to an old style "Legacy" system, consisting of 3 legacy LNB's (+14 and +18 volt switching) and an SW64 switch (3 legacy LNB inputs 2 per LNB, to 4 outputs) this is an externally powered switch. (if you can find one)

If you can't then the second choice is 3 DPP single LNB's and a DPP44 switch, this gives you the option of the external DC supply to the switch, this using receiver port #1 for the power inserter and receiver ports 2 and 3 will run the FTA receiver just fine.

A note to the FTA receiver designers, why not go with a beefier DC power supply circuit for the LNB output, one with one amp of DC current, it would solve a ton of problems for those switching multiple satellites, and would not cost that much more.