We will be upgrading our streams to h265 next week. This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Mag 250 and 254 users will need to upgrade their boxes to use ok2
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We will be upgrading our streams to h265 next week. This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Mag 250 and 254 users will need to upgrade their boxes to use ok2
that's awesome
Not that i use these boxes but what does this mean....won't work, or upgrade online via updates?Quote:
Originally Posted by herkimerjerkimer
sounds like a great improvement
will it still work emulating a mag with the stb emu program on an android box?
Would like to know the same thing as a few friends are running the mag254. Would hate to have to look for a different server for them. At least I just picked up a buzz 3000...:)
those mags dont do h265
does the box do h265?Quote:
Originally Posted by trainee
So, this update will work fine with buzz huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
yes it doesQuote:
Originally Posted by surfinisfun
yes it doesQuote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
so it is only not going to work on the mag because it is not able to decode the h265
ok2 will still work on the stalker platform then
it wont work on the 250 and 254 Will work on the newer magsQuote:
Originally Posted by trainee
will work fine with the 3 boxes I use for ok2Quote:
Originally Posted by surfinisfun
buzz,global and zoomtak
I'm glad you spelled that out.
Theres a ton of mag 254's out. Thats a lot of mac reseting and transferring accounts to new stbs . 1st generation firesticks also effected. A slew of people are going to be pissed off.
not necessarilyQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr Hanky
can always change the mac on most boxes I've used
will this be on all channels? Would love to see higher quality/less delay for sports
I'm sure there will be some upset users. However at one point you need to just make the call, in order to move forward with new technologies. You will never be able to satisfy everyone. h265 will bring many benefits to both client and server side. Huge difference in bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Hanky
Would be nice if next they can offer some tiered plan for multiple connections from the same IP :) with 4 TVs in the house, would be nice to be able to have 3 connections at least (without paying for 3 subs).
Guess you'll have to wait and see.....Quote:
Originally Posted by haha911
P.S, Your user name should be banned, or changed.
Sorry for the hijack.
I am hoping that maximizing the picture quality is a priority over reducing bandwidth.Quote:
Originally Posted by herkimerjerkimer
how can that be the priority when it does both?Quote:
Originally Posted by 6strings
Will the stb-emulator handle the h.265 ?
reason why i'm asking is that i have a older android box that doesn't indicate h.265 on packaging.
it's the box not the emulator that needs to be h265 compatibleQuote:
Originally Posted by Canadian
H265 is really just a codec.If you can add the codec,it should work.
c and p
As data-intensive as HD is, 4K is even worse. While most of us were just getting used to the idea of H.264's advantages over MPEG-2 on Blu-ray, the Motion Picture Experts Group and the International Telecommunication Union's Telecommunication Standardization Sector (ITU-T) were already starting work on the next generation of video compression, with an eye on the future.
Not wanting to mess around with small, incremental improvements, whenever a new compression standard is introduced, it has to be a sizable change. With each jump, the general rule is half the bit rate for the same quality (or greater quality at the same bit rate).
How does it do this? Largely by expanding on how AVC (and other compression techniques before it) works.
First, it looks at multiple frames to see what doesn't change. In most scenes in a TV show or movie, the vast majority of the frame doesn't change much. Think of a scene with someone talking. The shot is mostly their head. The background isn't going to change much for many frames. For that matter, most of the pixels representing their face probably won't change much (other than their lips, of course). So instead of encoding every pixel from every frame, an initial frame is encoded, and then after that only what changes is encoded (basically).
HEVC then expands the size of the area that's looked at for these changes. Larger and smaller "blocks" essentially, which offers additional efficiency. Ever seen blocks in your image, when the picture goes foul? Those can be bigger, smaller, and differently shaped with HEVC than with previous compression methods. Larger blocks, for example, were found to be more efficient.
Then other things were improved, like motion compensation, spatial prediction, and so on. All of these things would have been done with AVC or even earlier, but it required more processing power than was economically feasible at the time.
During the development phase, the compression algorithm is tested objectively, for its raw number efficiency, but also subjectively, by video professionals comparing different compression methods and amounts in a "blind" test, where they don't know which method is which. The human element is crucial. Just because a computer says one level of compression is better than another doesn't mean it looks better than another.
Because H.265 is so much more processor intensive, don't expect a simple firmware upgrade to get your gear to decode it. In fact, that's part of the issue. You need a hardware decoder somewhere. If your new media streamer, cable box, or BD player has it, then you'll be all set (presuming you also have HDMI 2.0 so you can get 2160p/60 and not just 2160p/30). Could a high-end PC decode it via software? Maybe. Could the Xbox One or PS4? Not likely. Everyone loves their favorite console, but remember, this generation's hardware is equivalent to a pretty average PC.
After pokin' around a little, there's talk of the mag team adding h256 to the firmware...via update I would assume.
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Originally Posted by herkimerjerkimer
How old is this Herk?Several media players decode H265,like VLC.I can stream h265 on all of my htpcs no sweat.
sorry its a little outdated 2014 cnetQuote:
Originally Posted by The Noof
Thought so.Quote:
Originally Posted by herkimerjerkimer
I'm assuming you meant h265 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noof
However, they may add the codec for it an all, but I'm not sure the 254 would have enough juice to handle the "heavier" streams. The STiH207 processor it uses does have native support for h264, but since it is over 7 years old, it does not have any native support for h265 as far as I know, and would have to decode it all in software. This would be extremely heavy for the 650Mhz CPU without any native support. The Mag 254 is also on a linux kernel 2.6.x tree (as far as I can tell) which limits the available options, since it is only unofficially still supported and not much new is released for it.
They may try to add the support (eventually), but unless you will be running it in 720p only, I'm not sure if it will be able to keep up.
The box has had a good long run. However, at one point, things must move on.
Yes...sorry.H265.Quote:
Originally Posted by Emporium
P.S...I would be surprised if it couldn't run h265 in 720p, dut with the exception of the people that bought one of the 254's, it wouldn't be a tragedy if they didn't run h265.I tested several mag models & they really aren't very good at all:the worst video quality of all the units I've seen so far.
C&P:Quote:
Originally Posted by dishuser
H265/HEVC was developed with the goal of providing twice the compression efficiency of the previous standard, H.264 / AVC. Although compression efficiency results vary depending on the type of content and the encoder settings, at typical consumer video distribution bit rates HEVC is typically able to compress video twice as efficiently as AVC. End-users can take advantage of improved compression efficiency in one of two ways (or some combination of both);
At an identical level of visual quality, HEVC enables video to be compressed to a file that is about half the size (or half the bit rate) of AVC, or
When compressed to the same file size or bit rate as AVC, HEVC delivers significantly better visual quality.
I don't think anyone confirmed that it will use half the bandwidth in the long term. You can initially start with half the bandwidth and keep same image quality. But then on channels that there is a demand for better image quality, you can increase the bandwidth, but not necessarily up to bandwidth point where it was before. It is always a balance you need to find. Better image quality requires more bandwidth, and also required a little more server horsepower if it is going to be doing it on the fly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 6strings
Does anyone know if the older red and white Avov TvOnline+ receivers are HEVC 265?
I couldn't find the specs on Avov's site.
It uses an "Amlogic S805 Quad Core Cortex 1.5GHz A5 Processor" and "GPU Quad-Core Mali 450 (Open GL ES2.0/1.1, Open VG1.1, Flash 11.1)"Quote:
Originally Posted by jedi
You can look at the original user guide via the google cache link here. Not a pretty link, but you can make out the specs on page 4.
For the CPU, there is not technical reason it can't...
Not it can't do 4K, but it does say it can do H.265 1080p [email protected] 60fps.Quote:
Amlogic S805 - A low cost SoC similar to M805 with quad-core ARM Cortex A5-based SoC with Mali-450 MP2 GPU running at 500 MHz, with hardware support for HEVC/H.265 decoding up to 1080p.
Now are the codec integrated, that is a different story. But if it is not, they could in theory add it with a firmware update.
from first postQuote:
Originally Posted by 6strings
This should increase quality and reduce bandwidth
Would the Dreamlink T1 be ok with this update? or T1 is also outdated?!
Thanks
Video decoding in H.265, H.264, AVS+, MVC,MPEG2, MPEG4, VC-1, VP6, and VP8Quote:
Originally Posted by montell
i got a mag box, what do I buy to replace it ? .Quote:
Originally Posted by The Noof
Most will agree that the Buzz xpl 3000 is the golden box at the momentQuote:
Originally Posted by lobsterpot
I also like the Zoomtak with stbemu