constant boot loop.

Hello, let me start by saying i am unsure where to make this post, i chose here as the t5 is my main receiver. Just got 82 and 91 dish installed, 95% Q and S. Hardware set up is 2 LNBFs connected to an SW 21 switch, 91 in port 1, 82 in port 2.

Connected to the dream link t5 hd, receiver went into boot loop non stop. swapped out the dl200 module for another one, same issue. Removed the rg6 cable, with the dl200 installed and the boot loop stopped.

Connected a mega tvi 300shd, and same thing with the cable connected it goes into boot loop. I am unsure where the loop is being caused.

any advise would be helpful.

You have a short somewhere It's a process of elimination to find it

I would hookup direct (no switches) to 91 with HD module "OUT" and see if it still acts up the same (Boot Loop)
like NBS said, you have short somewhere (cables, LNB, switch, etc.)

It could be a power supply issue,(internal or external) the bigger the current load the more AC ripple on the DC line if a cap is going bad.

thank you all, i am going to try to bypass the switches, i did already try different power cables with the same results.

hey guys just wanted to update as i got around to it now, so what i have done is changed the from the double lnf and sw 21s to a dp quad, and replaced the rg6 cable. still getting a ton of boot loops on the dream link. the satatlie is being installed on a shingle/wood roof. and i have not yet grounded the satalite dish, but will the grounding improve this?

thanks

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

hey guys just wanted to update as i got around to it now, so what i have done is changed the from the double lnf and sw 21s to a dp quad, and replaced the rg6 cable. still getting a ton of boot loops on the dream link. the satatlie is being installed on a shingle/wood roof. and i have not yet grounded the satalite dish, but will the grounding improve this?

thanks

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The dp quad has a built-in switch, when you say Boot Loop, is the receiver stuck constantly Re-booting ?
or is it doing something else ? grounding the dish/cables is Good but that won't cause receiver to be in a Boot-Loop state
You have a short somewhere, something as simple as shielding wire touching copper core wire at F-connectors, LNB connection etc. will cause a short, You need to track it down what is causing your problem.

yes i have tried everything now except using a differnt type of F connector, that would be my next attempt. I have replaced everything in the satelite setup. i am not using any other switches, just the one built into the quad lnbf. it just turns off, and then i say Hi, Boot and it loops, nothing gets passed the Hi, Boot message.

without the rg6 cable, the reciever does not boot loop, its once the cable makes contract with the port on the back of the receiver.

Then I would say you have a short in the cabling or the caps maybe going in the receiver.

Have you tried the boot-loop upgrade file, on it, available in the dreamlink file section

No not yet, the only reason why not is that my mega tvi stb also goes into a boot loop, so i didn't think it was a reciever issue.

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

No not yet, the only reason why not is that my mega tvi stb also goes into a boot loop, so i didn't think it was a reciever issue.

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IF BOTH Receivers go into a Boot-Loop then most likely there is a short in the cabling/connections somewhere

yes that what i have been saying, BOTH are looping, i bought new 3 ghz quad shielded rg6, made new connectors over the weekend, doubt 2 different sets of F connectors and still looping.

Inspect real close at the F-Connectors, all it takes is a strand of the shielding wire or any wire Touching
the Copper conducting wire (copper core) to cause a short in the system. You said that with the cable hooked to back
of receiver it Loops, and when it's not hooked up the receiver doesn't loop. That tells me that there is a short somewhere
in the setup from your Dish back to receiver (LNB's, connections, switches if being used, etc.) You have to track it down
on what is causing the issue.

I now use the compression type F-Connectors. Used to have a problem with the crimp type doing a heart shape and cutting into the Copper core shorting it out.

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

yes that what i have been saying, BOTH are looping, i bought new 3 ghz quad shielded rg6, made new connectors over the weekend, doubt 2 different sets of F connectors and still looping.

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it's very simple to test if it's the cable or the LNB

power everything off
leave the RG6 connected to the receiver, go out and disconnect the cable from the LNB
go back and power up the receiver, if it still boot loops then it's your cable if it doesn't then it's the LNB

you should have paid attention to auggies very first post in this thread and you would have found your problem within minutes ...

EDIT : power everything off should be replaced with unplug your receiver ....

I will try your test, however i did follow auggies very first post, i took the DL apart, even switched dl200 to a known working module.
*edit* even swapped LNBs, from 2 to 1 quad.

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

I will try your test, however i did follow auggies very first post, i took the DL apart, even switched dl200 to a known working module.
*edit* even swapped LNBs, from 2 to 1 quad.

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auggie told you to hook directly to 91 without the module installed ...

he didn't say swap modules and add a quad lnb into the mix

just for clarity

if you had followed auggies advice and came back and said it didn't work hooked direcly to 91, you would have then been told to try the other lnb, if that still didn't work you would have been told to check the cable by itself ...

like NBS told you right at the start... it's a process of elimination, auggie was giving you the starting point and would have helped you through the process of elimination, but he can't do that if you don't do what he tells and then reply back with the results

it's still possible that it's a power supply issue but I find that highly unlikely when 2 different receivers and power supplies were doing the same thing

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Originally Posted by really_troubled

just for clarity

if you had followed auggies advice and came back and said it didn't work hooked direcly to 91, you would have then been told to try the other lnb, if that still didn't work you would have been told to check the cable by itself ...

like NBS told you right at the start... it's a process of elimination, auggie was giving you the starting point and would have helped you through the process of elimination, but he can't do that if you don't do what he tells and then reply back with the results

it's still possible that it's a power supply issue but I find that highly unlikely when 2 different receivers and power supplies were doing the same thing

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The "diagnostic routine" doesn't come easily to all bro.This really is a simple diagnosis.

Some times the "KISS Method" is the way too Go when you are trying to fix something...........lol lol

in fairness to jeffg1, swapping out the lnb and cable usually works if the cable and lnb are good,
however, in this case it just added to his frustration ...

>Eliminate the RG6< Disconnect both ends and use a Fluke meter to see if there is a short between the threaded part of the F-Connector (Ground) and at center copper core. It should be open. If it is open then short out the other end and check again for >0< ohm's. Remove you self induced short & if both check ok the cable is good. The power supply (the one that plugs into the wall) can cause many different problems including constant reboot if supplied CURRENT is not enough. Voltage will check OK but current won't. After eliminating the RG6 you can hook up an LNB. It does not have to be mounted in the dish, just to the other end of the RG6 and see if you still have reboot problem. If it don't then hookup to the dish. If it starts rebooting then your problem is in the dish or power supply.

I agree that a multi meter (or a sat meter that has the capability) is the best option when checking cables

but there is no doubt that the receiver will let you know if the cable is shorted ... obviously not the best option because it will stress the power supply but I doubt connecting it 1 more time will hurt it at this point :)

it's worth pointing out that this appears to be a new install, a short in the coax is actually quite rare and IMO is always associated with human error

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Originally Posted by really_troubled

just for clarity

if you had followed auggies advice and came back and said it didn't work hooked direcly to 91, you would have then been told to try the other lnb, if that still didn't work you would have been told to check the cable by itself ...

like NBS told you right at the start... it's a process of elimination, auggie was giving you the starting point and would have helped you through the process of elimination, but he can't do that if you don't do what he tells and then reply back with the results

it's still possible that it's a power supply issue but I find that highly unlikely when 2 different receivers and power supplies were doing the same thing

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As i did report back, that i tried each LNB individually, on both sats 91 and 82. Why would i replace skip straight to swapping out the DL 200 module if i didn't test it with and without it? I have been around alot longer then you may think.

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Originally Posted by auggie

Some times the "KISS Method" is the way too Go when you are trying to fix something...........lol lol

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It may seem simple to you, however, as i have noted only thing that i haven't changed is the actual dish on the roof. so even an RG6 swap didn't stop it from boot looping.

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Originally Posted by staticrider

>Eliminate the RG6< Disconnect both ends and use a Fluke meter to see if there is a short between the threaded part of the F-Connector (Ground) and at center copper core. It should be open. If it is open then short out the other end and check again for >0< ohm's. Remove you self induced short & if both check ok the cable is good. The power supply (the one that plugs into the wall) can cause many different problems including constant reboot if supplied CURRENT is not enough. Voltage will check OK but current won't. After eliminating the RG6 you can hook up an LNB. It does not have to be mounted in the dish, just to the other end of the RG6 and see if you still have reboot problem. If it don't then hookup to the dish. If it starts rebooting then your problem is in the dish or power supply.

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It does not boot loop when there is no rg6 connected...

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Originally Posted by staticrider

>Eliminate the RG6< Disconnect both ends and use a Fluke meter to see if there is a short between the threaded part of the F-Connector (Ground) and at center copper core. It should be open. If it is open then short out the other end and check again for >0< ohm's. Remove you self induced short & if both check ok the cable is good. The power supply (the one that plugs into the wall) can cause many different problems including constant reboot if supplied CURRENT is not enough. Voltage will check OK but current won't. After eliminating the RG6 you can hook up an LNB. It does not have to be mounted in the dish, just to the other end of the RG6 and see if you still have reboot problem. If it don't then hookup to the dish. If it starts rebooting then your problem is in the dish or power supply.

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I will try a direct connection to an LNB that isn't mounted, thanks for that idea.

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

As i did report back, that i tried each LNB individually, on both sats 91 and 82. Why would i replace skip straight to swapping out the DL 200 module if i didn't test it with and without it? I have been around alot longer then you may think.

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these posts are 3 weeks apart and nothing in between... all you said was you were going to bypass the switches ... I see no confirmation that you did

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

thank you all, i am going to try to bypass the switches, i did already try different power cables with the same results.

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

hey guys just wanted to update as i got around to it now, so what i have done is changed the from the double lnf and sw 21s to a dp quad, and replaced the rg6 cable. still getting a ton of boot loops on the dream link. the satatlie is being installed on a shingle/wood roof. and i have not yet grounded the satalite dish, but will the grounding improve this?

thanks

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anyway, since you've been around as long as you have, then maybe you can explain why it's not working

just like you said you were going to try what I suggested

nowhere did you reply with the results ... did you connect the rg6 without anything connected to it or not ?

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Originally Posted by really_troubled

just like you said you were going to try what I suggestted

no where did you reply with the results ... did you connect the rg6 without anything connected to it or not ?

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No i did not, my messages ae 3 weeks apart becuase i do not always have time to try things right away. I will be attempting to hook up the dreamlink to the cable tonight without any LNB.

I realize that people don't always have time to try things immediately or to respond quickly, but you need to realize that people can help if you actually give some feedback...

Thank you for the assistance, i hooked up the rg6, without the lnb connected on the roof, same thing, tried another 6 foot rg6 that i had and the loop stopped. Bought a new rg6 cable to run up to the lnb. All good now

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Originally Posted by jeffg1

Thank you for the assistance, i hooked up the rg6, without the lnb connected on the roof, same thing, tried another 6 foot rg6 that i had and the loop stopped. Bought a new rg6 cable to run up to the lnb. All good now

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My post #12 where i said if both receivers go into Boot-Loop, then you most likely have a short in cabling,connections,etc.
and you needed to track it down. ? Anyways glad you found it, and it is fixed now.

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I have been around alot longer then you may think.

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I've been around 3 decades and still consider myself the forever newbie
nobody knows everything so there's always something to learn
unless you're Sheldon :innocent:

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Originally Posted by dishuser

I've been around 3 decades and still consider myself the forever newbie
nobody knows everything so there's always something to learn
unless you're Sheldon :innocent:

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That could be the "Testers Creed".

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Originally Posted by auggie

My post #12 where i said if both receivers go into Boot-Loop, then you most likely have a short in cabling,connections,etc.
and you needed to track it down. ? Anyways glad you found it, and it is fixed now.

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Yes it was your post that had me run a second wire twice that lead to the solution. Thank you.