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    By Christine DiGangi

    If you want to buy a home, chances are you need a mortgage. You probably already knew that. The most common type of mortgage is one with a 30-year term with a fixed interest rate (aka 30-year fixed). You probably already knew that, too.

    What you might not know is the variety of ways this common product can be structured, so you have the option of getting a loan set up in a way that suits your financial situation best. A structure that was common before the housing crisis and has since re-emerged is the 80/10/10, also called a "piggyback mortgage," which allows homeowners to save money while making a lower down payment. Piggyback mortgages fell out of favor after the burst of the housing bubble, because they're riskier for lenders to make, but they're making a bit of a comeback and may be something you want to ask about if you're considering getting a home loan.

    What Is an 80/10/10?

    The traditional way to do the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage is to make a 20% down payment, which allows you to borrow 80% of the home's value without having to take out private mortgage insurance (PMI). PMI protects the lender from loss if the borrower defaults on the loan, but it's a cost the homeowner never recoups. It also drives up the cost of mortgage payments, which is why many consumers want to avoid it, but most lenders won't make a loan for more than 80% of a home's value without it. (If you're wondering what monthly mortgage payment you can afford, this calculator can help.)

    That's where the 80/10/10 mortgage comes in. The 80 is for the 80% of the home's value covered by the first mortgage, the 10 represents a 10% down payment from the buyer and the other 10 is a second loan to cover the 10% the buyer couldn't put down. The second lender takes on the risk of the loan, allowing the buyer to avoid PMI while protecting the lender of the larger loan. It's essentially an alternative to getting a loan for 90% of the home's value with a 10% down payment and having to pay PMI.

    "It's generally the kind of financing that exists in more robust markets, and it's generally not the kind of financing you would [have found] in 2010 or 2008," said Tony Sachs, chief lending officer at Sindeo, an online mortgage marketplace. "Primarily the risk associated with that second loan is truly based on home values at least holding steady or increasing, but if home values decrease and you're in that second position, your lien may be the first lien that's wiped out by the elimination of equity."

    The interest rates on the borrowed 10% are adjustable and currently range from 4.75% to 5.5%, according to Sindeo. Like interest on the main mortgage, interest on the 10% loan is generally tax-deductible.
    How Do I Get an 80/10/10?

    If you only have enough for a 10% down payment, it's worth asking potential lenders about the availability of an 80/10/10, though it depends on the housing market in your area (and the lender's preferences) whether or not it will be an option. You'll probably deal with one lender, but because you have two different loans, it's possible you would have to manage payments to separate mortgage servicers.

    "Oftentimes, in fact, most of the time, one lender facilitates the entire transaction but sells either both loans to other institutions in the secondary market or may keep … the first loan and sell the second loan to simply facilitate the origination of the second loan," Sachs said.

    You don't have to go searching for that second lender on your own, but make sure you understand exactly how the structure will affect how you make monthly payments. Loan-payment history is the most important thing in determining your credit standing, and you can see how things like a mortgage affect it by getting a free credit report summary every 30 days on Credit.com.

    There are many ways to get a home loan beyond the 30-year fixed-rate loan or making the "standard" 20% down payment — your choice depends on the home you choose, the market it's in, your lender's offerings and your financial situation, so take time to research your options.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Demeter View Post
    What is a good idea to refinance a home mortgage
    Best time to refinance is when the interest rate is lower than your current one as is the lending rate. You can always negotiate the interest rate to even lower but keep your payment frequency and amount the same. You will pay off the mortgage faster that way.

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    the 80-10-10 is great for tax purposes as the interest is deductible & PMI/MIP aren't I believe as they are insurance. I'm not sure if it is still available now as new mortgage laws(TRID) have made getting new loans much harder now. housing markets slumped in Nov. which is typical but the Fed raised rates in Dec. also compounding the situation &/or possibly hiding the facts. just gotta luv gov.

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    US Income Taxes

    • Mortgage Debt Forgiveness: Authority extended for two years (2015 & 2016).
    • Mortgage Insurance Premium Deductibility: Provisions allowing the deductibility of mortgage insurance premiums were extended for two years (2015 & 2016).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hutch View Post
    the 80-10-10 is great for tax purposes as the interest is deductible & PMI/MIP aren't I believe as they are insurance. I'm not sure if it is still available now as new mortgage laws(TRID) have made getting new loans much harder now. housing markets slumped in Nov. which is typical but the Fed raised rates in Dec. also compounding the situation &/or possibly hiding the facts. just gotta luv gov.

    Wish we could have deducted the interest here in Canada.

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