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    Why should jvvh do the work for you guys

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    There used to be a lot of sharing of information in the early stages of IKS - some card coder sites merged with IKS/Dreambox sites and receiver/jtag sites. A llot of public information was available about jtaging receivers and pulling information from the images. There was also a lot of public discussion about card coding and the efforts being done to hack into the cards. In the early stages Raton shared his rqcs software and there was a lot of discussion expermenting being done in open forums. Bowman's CSP load balancing software was, and still is free, and openly discussed - but Bowman didn't want to have anything to do with monetizing his software and he stopped development.
    Raton developed his FSLB, load balancing software, but took it private and sold it to the big dealers. He also developed private versions of his rqcs and fsec software and software to feed the ECMs and EMMs to the cards while they were in card servers so the keys would stay up to date and to pull the Control Words from cards to feed the cache.
    Eventually leaked or hacked versions of Raton's software emerged but you couldn't post it or even discuss it in any forum since it was considered stolen software.

    When Raton went private and underground the FTA guys already had what they needed from the card bangers and box testers and the collaboration and testing that was being done seemed to disapear. Some of the FTA guys, like DreamBox users, went underground and survived for a while but there wasn't a lot of testing being done and eventually they disbanded. The big IKS dealers only needed a few good box testers to pull the chips from receivers and read the keys and the rest of the testers lost interest and retired or quit testing. The card testers weren't having much luck hacking into the cards so money stopped flowing their way and they soon disappeared.

    I don't know if Raton is still around developing new software underground, but I doubt if there are many card coders or box testers involved. A lof of IKS services are using stolen or hacked versions of Raton's FSLB - but they can't discuss it in any forum because it is stolen software.

    Some people don't mind paying Raton, or those that use his software - but there are some strong vocal people that hate all IKS dealers/resellers or anyone that makes any money from IKS. In my opinion if any IKS service tried to lead a collaborative effort to test new ideas they would be ostracized. I don't think they are being secretive or trying to hide anything - it is just frowned upon to talk about stolen software such as FSLB or anything that would help the dealers make money.
    I think the lead would have to come from outside the IKS dealers - but I'm sure they would all pitch in wherever they could.

    There could be some people that are content to see things stay the way they are - perhaps they have a vested interest in keeping people in the dark - there will be some chiming in about not helping free TVers or dealers.
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    I'm not offering to do work for anyone. I am offering to guide folks in doing work. If you want such help start posting flash dumps and card logging, pics of boxes might help, schematics would too. Processor data sheets are nice to have as are any other data sheets that are available. I know the processor in use in some DTV boxes have started to have all but the tuner front end PLL and the card itself on the chip--so the tuner decoder, processor, decrypt engine, video and sound chain are on the same silicon (Broadcom) with external flash and RAM. That type of integration might be what one sees in anycast and if so then it can be really hard to figure out anything from the box code (I've played with the ATSC Broadcom chips in converter boxes and I've been able to do some things but lots of experimentation has to be done to really see how it works). As I don't own DN boxes and have no interest in contract TV I'm not going to be doing any of the experimentation involved in prov boxes.
    I was not that impressed by Raton, I showed how the coolsat4000 code could be modified to work on pansat 2500 box, but did not have any interest in the testing for IKS, so he never bothered to support the box. I figured he was busted long ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvvh5897 View Post
    I'm not offering to do work for anyone. I am offering to guide folks in doing work. If you want such help start posting flash dumps and card logging, pics of boxes might help, schematics would too. Processor data sheets are nice to have as are any other data sheets that are available. I know the processor in use in some DTV boxes have started to have all but the tuner front end PLL and the card itself on the chip--so the tuner decoder, processor, decrypt engine, video and sound chain are on the same silicon (Broadcom) with external flash and RAM. That type of integration might be what one sees in anycast and if so then it can be really hard to figure out anything from the box code (I've played with the ATSC Broadcom chips in converter boxes and I've been able to do some things but lots of experimentation has to be done to really see how it works). As I don't own DN boxes and have no interest in contract TV I'm not going to be doing any of the experimentation involved in prov boxes.
    I was not that impressed by Raton, I showed how the coolsat4000 code could be modified to work on pansat 2500 box, but did not have any interest in the testing for IKS, so he never bothered to support the box. I figured he was busted long ago.
    As always thank u for your input and your skills my friend. Maybe our friend is on this side of the bars .

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    My question is why now when it's almost over and done finished kaput terminado se acabou

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    Who said it was almost over? I guess sooner or later someone will finally be able to call it on when it will come to an end. Guess if and when they do they can say they told ya so. Like standing under a tree during a storm...do it enough times and you will finally get nailed. Same here...every year the rumor starts up that it's coming to an end so sooner or later someone will probably nail it.

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    I've been promoting folks to learn to code for at least 10 years now--nothing new about that. Not many folks bother. Not many folks bother to help each other with any skills they might have. If you are not trying to learn something, then you are likely part of the problem and not the solution.

    IMO the term "Free TVer" was of little use back when it was relevant and of about as much use as a buggy whip now.

    It would be a good idea for any posts to be done with some "spy craft"--use anon file host, post on one site and provide key on another, discuss in out of way site (or on "invisible" site)--those sorts of things.

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    Well...posting keys and any kinda card dump is like a target or plutonium .. hence the underground . So just about anyone with some knowledge of such.. I doubt you will see it in public .

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    Then no help from me! They can black out the box info so the box dump is not really traceable to sub. They can use cut-out users to pick up files and post in more easily found spots. But NO ONE mentioned CARD dumps or keys!!!

    BTW, on DTV and IKS--In the past I've said that the CW come in every 5 seconds or so and that IKS did not do well at that speed. Seems the SD Music channels do have CW every 5 sec, but the TV channels have CW (cmd40) only every minute or so--not sure if that is a big deal or applicable to any but the couple of SD ch I tuned to, but lots better than every 5 seconds. The music ch CW packets were very short, and the TV packets bigger, so the seeds returned might be of a diff nature.

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    The dtv music still works . Older units .

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1boxman View Post
    The dtv music still works . Older units .
    but iks isn't needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvvh5897 View Post
    Then no help from me! They can black out the box info so the box dump is not really traceable to sub. They can use cut-out users to pick up files and post in more easily found spots. But NO ONE mentioned CARD dumps or keys!!!

    BTW, on DTV and IKS--In the past I've said that the CW come in every 5 seconds or so and that IKS did not do well at that speed. Seems the SD Music channels do have CW every 5 sec, but the TV channels have CW (cmd40) only every minute or so--not sure if that is a big deal or applicable to any but the couple of SD ch I tuned to, but lots better than every 5 seconds. The music ch CW packets were very short, and the TV packets bigger, so the seeds returned might be of a diff nature.
    I'm on my way back home from the South and not of much help for a few days.

    As far as I know I thought the CWs were every 15 seconds for IKS on the TV chanels??

    When you are talking of log files are you referring to a card in a programmer using special software to send commands to the card and checking responses - or are you just looking for log files from card servers?

    I love to learn and have a pretty good aresenal of hardware available and don't mind picking up more if it's needed. I'll be back North by the 3rd and look forward to learning something new.

    I'm not much of a coder - I sat in on a few card blockers courses back in the day and loved it - but the site closed and I didn't get to graduate :-)
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    Does anyone know what "anycast" really consists of?
    I found a patent filed that mentions stopping iks, I don't know if it is "anycast", but has Nagravision listed as the assignee . (US 7,986,781 B2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    but iks isn't needed
    thats right.

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    That CW come in every 5 seconds for Dick's music channels is a real puzzle--none of the SD (and HD for all I know) audio is encrypted on that prov so why the cmd40's so often when TV chs only get them every 57 seconds? Maybe they are being used more as a test of authorization than to decrypt enything. As for how TV chs only get CW every minute or so is another good question--I've double checked and my old data shows it has been that way for a long time, also double checked that only one CA packet slot is active and it is the same for TV and music channels whether I'm testing on the same TP or not (always PID 2), but something is filtering or otherwise selecting a different set of packets for the cmd40 routine.

    It is on Charlie's system that CW come in every 15 seconds or so, I was not talking about DN.

    Anycast is supposed to a processor that has a 'card' on the silicon. As the CWs never have to leave the chip, there is no way to intercept them and feed IKS systems. All the decrypt happens inside the chip where one can't get to it.

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