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    Default Question to the masters here about paypal

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    I see that one of the iks sellers offers paypal as payment option

    Does this represent a problem to Canadian Users ? I never read about canadian users being sued because of paypal
    I do knot know , that is why I am asking the experts here.

    But I have read that Canada law goes after the dealers in Canada. I could also be wrong, this is the reason
    forums exist, to get more knowledge, hope my questions are ok in this forum.

    Seems like lots of people are afraid of using bitcoin or other methods because they are not familiar with them


    Now about USA end users, I read that both dealers and end users are targeted and sued by charly.

    Also read that the Dealer first need to get busted before they can sue the end user, because they need the proof from the seller

    Is this correct ?

    So if Dealer can not get busted, can end user still get sued ?


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    Why even consider taking any risk, using PayPal is like a bank robber writing the demand note on one of his own chqs (don't laugh, has been done). No one here can predict what charges Canadian law may or may not bring 2 or 3 years down the road if something goes awry, just use Vanilla gift and not lose any sleep over it.

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    if they are even asking for paypal I would be really nervous. IMO

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    i would just stay away from PayPal.. lot safer that way!
    look into bitcoin..

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    Do Vanilla Gift Cards from the USA require the SS to activate them ?

    I have received some requests from USA customers asking me how to pay from there

    I remember once i received a green dot card and lost $100 usd because they were asking for an ID

    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbohd View Post
    Do Vanilla Gift Cards from the USA require the SS to activate them ?

    I have received some requests from USA customers asking me how to pay from there

    I remember once i received a green dot card and lost $100 usd because they were asking for an ID

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    I believe so about the ss needed.I used a couple while back for a server sent to canada.The cards are only good to buy stuff not to get cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbohd View Post
    Do Vanilla Gift Cards from the USA require the SS to activate them ?

    I have received some requests from USA customers asking me how to pay from there

    I remember once i received a green dot card and lost $100 usd because they were asking for an ID

    thank you
    yes the do require SSN among other information to activate vanilla card in the USA and that is why most US people wont use them. other options need to be brought on to the table for USA users other than vanilla cards or paypal. one seller on here has the right idea, i wont say who it is here in public post but they have plenty of safe payment methods that anyone can use. they even have options for users who cannot make international payments with cards.

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    correction

    VANILLA CARD FROM THE USA works fine, no need for SS

    even AMAZON GIFT CARD works

    if you have any gift card from USA or Canada and need service, send me PM

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbohd View Post
    correction

    VANILLA CARD FROM THE USA works fine, no need for SS

    even AMAZON GIFT CARD works

    if you have any gift card from USA or Canada and need service, send me PM

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    Yes there is no need SSN to buy vanilla gift card..they do not ask any thing when you activate the vanilla card in usa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dude104 View Post
    Yes there is no need SSN to buy vanilla gift card..they do not ask any thing when you activate the vanilla card in usa.
    some ask you to associate it with a zip code to use online

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbohd View Post
    correction

    VANILLA CARD FROM THE USA works fine, no need for SS

    even AMAZON GIFT CARD works

    if you have any gift card from USA or Canada and need service, send me PM

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    The only problem with any prepaid credit card or gift card is - how do you as a dealer get the money out of the card once you have the card info.

    If a Provider investigator is registered here pretending to be an end user - he could buy service from you and give you his credit card info.
    He still has possession of the card and can register it to see where you processed it.

    Let's say you paid some bills with it or purchased something online - they can call the credit card company and say they did not authorize the purchase.
    The credit card company will investigate to find who made the purchase or give you the phone number to contact the business. The investigator calls and gives the business the date of the purchase, transaction ID, amount, etc. The business looks up the transaction and find that Jim Smith at 245 Maple in Toronto made the purchase. The investigator now finds Jim Smith and asks him where he got that credit card info.
    They keep going until they find you the Dealer.

    When they find you they will lean on you and offer to settle for x dollars if you give up all your end user info and all your computers, email addresses, forum user names and passwords. If you sign and settle - the Court signs the order and they have you by the short hairs If you don't abide by the settlement order you are facing contempt of court charges and jail time.

    Bitcoins are the only payment method I know of that can be completely anonymous. The investigator hits a brick wall when trying to investigate a bitcoin wallet.
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    Hello Jedi

    Everything you are saying applies only if the buyer / fake buyer uses a CREDIT CARD

    A buyer does not give his credit card info via PM to the buyer

    A buyer can only use his credit card when he is using paypal or the seller payment gateway set up for accepting credit cards

    In this case we were discussing PREPAID DEBIT / GIFT CARDS LIKE VANILLA or other Brands

    I am not going to give details about how it works, but gift cards are very safe

    there is no ID asked when buying them,
    because you only use them once, no need for SS numbers
    investigator can not open a dispute to get info, that does not apply to gift cards

    the western union service i use is also very safe, it goes to CHINA and the beneficiary name keeps changing often
    they use fake IDS to cash the western union , so investigator will never find out who cashes the money in china

    they charge a 5 usd fee for the service and you can do it online

    and there are a number of other more complicated and sometimes more expensive ways to buy things online

    Liberty Reserve was very good one, until the US POLICE shut them down

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    Are you sure the owner of the prepaid credit card can not dispute a transaction? I believe that the owner of the card can call and get the number of the business to call them and dispute a purchase. Also if the owner of the credit card is a professional investigator they probably have some different ways of getting that information that we as a normal consumer wouldn't have.

    I was told by some friends that Investigators used info from prepaid Vanilla cards to track them down.
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    Go to a 7-11, shoppers, etc, grab a vanilla, pay cash, done deal. Good luck tracing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aceallenk View Post
    Go to a 7-11, shoppers, etc, grab a vanilla, pay cash, done deal. Good luck tracing that.
    You got that right!
    If you have to use paypal, set up a fake paypal account. In Canada you can seed a paypal account with a vanilla card. Use all fake info in paypal and your fake email account, which you only use for this.. Notepad all the fake info, in case they ask you a security question or your birth date (which is fake, of course). Use a VPN when setting it up and doing transactions. In Canada this works 100%.

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