Multiple devices on OK3

[Emporium]

we had no access to panel till late november .early december
we could not fix repair reset etc till then
there are still issues working with a hacked panel and we are working on them

Like GSATV said, for OK3 the updates and news are always as quick as humanly possible (we do have other things in our lives other than this). And that is always appreciated. I've tried other services, and so far the OK3 channel lineup is the one that suits me best, so I am having a hard time trying to commit to any other service. It has all my MTL locals (no I don't want GTA locals even thought they are 95% same programming - the news are not), and they also have some of the best lineup for the Fr. QC users.

The one thing I hope that is looked at, and a decision is made and clarified to all, is the use of tokens for MAC subs (at least on OK3). That is, that if you use one box to connect to a MAC sub, the server issues a token, and then you can't use another box to connect to the server. This is causing many people which I've referred to many ok2/ok3 resellers here, to be asking me for alternatives, since they have 2 or 3 TVs in the house, they only use one at a time, but they can no longer use their OK3 sub on multiple boxes by just using the same MAC/serial/deviceID (even if it is just 1 at a time). I'm in the same situation myself.
I understand the need for another level of security to avoid hackers, but tokens are even hard for the legit subscribers to "manage". I think maybe using one or both DeviceID would be great additional security, yet still allowing users with legit subs to have more than one box use the same MAC sub. And if using DeviceID, it would be nice if they are visible to the resellers, since some boxes (like the buzz) do not show you the DeviceID (been a while since I checked, but I don't believe they do).

Anyhow, it's obviously up to the server operators to decide, but it would be nice to know what their stand is on this. Will they keep tokens going forward (is that the new reality), or will they eventually get rid of them and possibly use a different mechanism ?


Thanks again for all your updates and constant help.

[dishuser]

Like GSATV said, for OK3 the updates and news are always as quick as humanly possible (we do have other things in our lives other than this). And that is always appreciated. I've tried other services, and so far the OK3 channel lineup is the one that suits me best, so I am having a hard time trying to commit to any other service. It has all my MTL locals (no I don't want GTA locals even thought they are 95% same programming - the news are not), and they also have some of the best lineup for the Fr. QC users.

The one thing I hope that is looked at, and a decision is made and clarified to all, is the use of tokens for MAC subs (at least on OK3). That is, that if you use one box to connect to a MAC sub, the server issues a token, and then you can't use another box to connect to the server. This is causing many people which I've referred to many ok2/ok3 resellers here, to be asking me for alternatives, since they have 2 or 3 TVs in the house, they only use one at a time, but they can no longer use their OK3 sub on multiple boxes by just using the same MAC/serial/deviceID (even if it is just 1 at a time). I'm in the same situation myself.
I understand the need for another level of security to avoid hackers, but tokens are even hard for the legit subscribers to "manage". I think maybe using one or both DeviceID would be great additional security, yet still allowing users with legit subs to have more than one box use the same MAC sub. And if using DeviceID, it would be nice if they are visible to the resellers, since some boxes (like the buzz) do not show you the DeviceID (been a while since I checked, but I don't believe they do).

Anyhow, it's obviously up to the server operators to decide, but it would be nice to know what their stand is on this. Will they keep tokens going forward (is that the new reality), or will they eventually get rid of them and possibly use a different mechanism ?


Thanks again for all your updates and constant help.

sorry but that is false
I just switched from my 3900 to my 3000 which I haven't used in months and was able to load ok3
oh and the mac is from my global
will try that tomorrow since I have to get up in 5 hours...lol

[Dodgem]

sorry but that is false
I just switched from my 3900 to my 3000 which I haven't used in months and was able to load ok3
oh and the mac is from my global
will try that tomorrow since I have to get up in 5 hours...lol

You must be one of the lucky ones.I can't use another box on ok3 either.Using a T1+ mac and a 3900.

[Emporium]

sorry but that is false
I just switched from my 3900 to my 3000 which I haven't used in months and was able to load ok3
oh and the mac is from my global
will try that tomorrow since I have to get up in 5 hours...lol

I don't know if it is limited to specific configurations, but I know I am not the only one.
I have at least 3 of my colleagues in the same boat. One other switched to OK2 M3U when his sub expired to get around this issue (since the wife was nagging).
And there are others on these forums, when we discussed it here.
After sending a few messages to herk, he also confirmed that the system is using tokens (which I know is an option on the ministra platform). Is this what is causing the problems, I have no clue, it is just an assumption. I don't have access to the servers to do any testing/debugging In my case, my sub seems to be tied to my Buzz 3000. Any generic box, trying to run stbemu with same mac, does not seem to work (same issue with many people I know).
This worked for sure before the events in sept. But I am not 100% sure when exactly it changed (since I don't use my second device much). Not sure if it was right after those events, or just after the server change. I can't say with certainty.

I presently also have 2 other services on my boxes, and they do not experience this behavior.

[PapaPete]

I have four devices using STB PRO each having the same MAC for my OK3 sub. They all work fine. I'm careful to use only one at a time but no issues with OK3 on multiple devices (2 android boxes, tablet, and a cell phone).

[Emporium]

I have four devices using STB PRO each having the same MAC for my OK3 sub. They all work fine. I'm careful to use only one at a time but no issues with OK3 on multiple devices (2 android boxes, tablet, and a cell phone).

Thanks for chiming in on this. That's exactly what I used to do, and it used to work fine. Only difference in my situation (and many of my friends), is that I have a buzz box also in the mix, which I use on my main living room TV. I also have 2 other Android boxes on 2 other TVs, and I used to use it on my tablet and phone. But they just suddenly stopped working.

How long have you had your sub ? Just trying to see if it is only older subs (maybe something caused by the transition).
Also, could be something with actual STBs vs STB Emu. On STB Emu, by default it is set to NOT transmit DeviceID (unless you enable the option). On something like a buzz box, you have no control over it. Also, not sure if STB Emu will use any toikens if the new platform issues one.
Maybe I'll ask for a MAC change (to reset the account - unless there is another way - I don't have a panel, so I don't know) and then try only with my generic android boxes using stbemu only (without my buzz). And then bring the buzz into the equation and see if it changes anything.

[dishuser]

worx on my buzz 3000,3900,global and zoomtak using stbemu pro
all using the mac from the global since ok3 started

[Gbox23]

Thanks for chiming in on this. That's exactly what I used to do, and it used to work fine. Only difference in my situation (and many of my friends), is that I have a buzz box also in the mix, which I use on my main living room TV. I also have 2 other Android boxes on 2 other TVs, and I used to use it on my tablet and phone. But they just suddenly stopped working.

How long have you had your sub ? Just trying to see if it is only older subs (maybe something caused by the transition).
Also, could be something with actual STBs vs STB Emu. On STB Emu, by default it is set to NOT transmit DeviceID (unless you enable the option). On something like a buzz box, you have no control over it. Also, not sure if STB Emu will use any toikens if the new platform issues one.
Maybe I'll ask for a MAC change (to reset the account - unless there is another way - I don't have a panel, so I don't know) and then try only with my generic android boxes using stbemu only (without my buzz). And then bring the buzz into the equation and see if it changes anything.

why not just load stbemu on those specific to not working? this would give you the option for it not to call home with id

[Emporium]

why not just load stbemu on those specific to not working? this would give you the option for it not to call home with id

I have only 1 buzz3000, and I have STB Emu loaded on 2 Mii box AndroidTV devices, 1 generic NexBox, and on a BeeLink GT1. I have tried everything from disabling deviceID (which is the default), to enabling it with auto generate from MAC, playing with Serial number, etc... And nothing helps. The setup used to work. And it also worked on a number of Colleagues places.
But in recent months, all have stopped working and for some reason only works on the buzz now.

This weekend when I get a sec, maybe I'll ask for a MAC change to possibly reset things (unless there is something on the panel that allows you to reset an account without changing MAC), and see if that helps (even though someone on another thread here, said they tried and it made no difference).

Like I mentioned, this is only an issue with ok3. I have 2 other services, and they don't have this issue.

It is strange, and I have all sorts of theories, but there are just that, theories. I suspect it occurred due to some sequence of events at a specific time. But without having access to the server logs to see "why" it is rejecting the connections on the other boxes, there is not much more "I" can do.

So for some people it seems to work fine, and others it doesn't.

[Emporium]

Small update.

I asked my reseller to change my MAC, which he did.
Then I started by trying my first box (Mii Box 3), with STBEmu using the new MAC. No problem. Then I tried it on my phone, no problem. Tried again, and using STBEmu on them worked fine, one device or the other, back and forth no issues. Both were set up with no serial number, and disabled DeviceID options.

However, then I configured my My buzz 3000 xpl, and it connected... Great...
EXCEPT, that now, going back to the other devices, both devices using STBEmu, give me a message to "contact your provider to register this device".

So using the buzz box, seems to have locked something on the account, so now only the buzz can connect again. So back to square 1 It seems to be picking up something on the buzz box, which it seems to marry the account to.

I'm out of ideas. I honestly don't see many options on the buzz box which could be enabled/disabled which could be causing this. Server is obviously latching into something from the buzz, during the initial handshaking.

I'm obviously not the only one with this issue. Even Dodgem has mentioned he has same issue above.
GSATV has mentioned in another thread before xmas that he has the issue with many of his subs.
And a few others also.

Herk, if the server operators have any other ideas, I can gladly run a few tests. Or if they have any way of checking what the server has married to.

[crowbay]

Hi all,

I was able to perform some tests tonight,

Scenario 1 - Works with same MAC ID on all devices one after each other.
1- PC with Bluestack Android Emulator - STB Emu Pro
2- Firestick 4 k - STB Emu Pro
3- Android Tablet - STB Emu Pro
4- Android Shield - STB Emu Pro

Scenario 2 - Doesn't work, on any login once on any OK3 STB Emu Branded App with same MAC ID on any of the devices.

Work around: Updating/refreshing MAC ID to a different ending number ie; XX:XX:XX:11 for XX:XX:XX:12 and reverted them back to original seems to remove the token and everything clears up.

Root cause: Using Ok3 STB branded app or in the case of Emporium a MAG seems to hard-code and use up the token.

Hope this can help and clear up some concerns, I will start converting my donors to STB PRO only and no longer use ok3 app to give them flexibility. Some people have 2+ tvs/devices.