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    Piracy is now being viewed as a criminal issue.

    Recently both the Nitro IPTV service and USTV GO have both been shut down and in the case of Nitro, the owners are facing a $100 million judgment against them.

    So it states it's now viewed as a criminal issue and backs that up with giving two recent examples of civil cases.


    There are criminal violations in Canada for piracy but rarely have been used and the penalties handed out have been quite weak.


    Given the choice, if you don't care about having a criminal record being charge criminally in Canada might be a better option than a 100 million dollar judgment.


    Though criminal penalties can change if a judge decides to by pass previous case law and make a more meaningful deterrent.




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    Quote Originally Posted by weezer22 View Post
    This is a massive shift from what used to be a hands-off approach by police. One of the first bit ones was when FBI went after the streaming service iStreamitAll. Later they went after the Gears Reloaded service was raided and shut down. Piracy is now being viewed as a criminal issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2 View Post
    So it states it's now viewed as a criminal issue and backs that up with giving two recent examples of civil cases.


    There are criminal violations in Canada for piracy but rarely have been used and the penalties handed out have been quite weak.


    Given the choice, if you don't care about having a criminal record being charge criminally in Canada might be a better option than a 100 million dollar judgment.


    Though criminal penalties can change if a judge decides to by pass previous case law and make a more meaningful deterrent.

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    Man, did you ever butcher that article.

    If you read the entire paragraph, that you cut the conclusion from, you would see that 2 examples were given that were criminal.

    As for you advice that it might be better in Canada to be charged criminally, you might want to rethink that advice. A criminal conviction would all but guarantee a subsequent civil suit. There is nothing to prevent them from pursuing you with a civil action after your crimal conviction and it can be used against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by really_troubled View Post
    Man, did you ever butcher that article.

    If you read the entire paragraph, that you cut the conclusion from, you would see that 2 examples were given that were criminal.

    As for you advice that it might be better in Canada to be charged criminally, you might want to rethink that advice. A criminal conviction would all but guarantee a subsequent civil suit. There is nothing to prevent them from pursuing you with a civil action after your crimal conviction and it can be used against you.
    you do know he went thru all this during the grey marketing days right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    you do know he went thru all this during the grey marketing days right?
    what does that have to do with what I posted ?

    are you saying that a person can't be pursued in a civil suit after they are found guilty of criminal charges ?

    or are you saying that he didn't butcher the article ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by really_troubled View Post
    what does that have to do with what I posted ?

    are you saying that a person can't be pursued in a civil suit after they are found guilty of criminal charges ?

    or are you saying that he didn't butcher the article ?
    Though criminal penalties can change if a judge decides to by pass previous case law and make a more meaningful deterrent.
    I thought he was quite clear on that

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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    I thought he was quite clear on that
    he said "criminal penalties can change" that has nothing to do with being pursued civilly for your criminal actions

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    Quote Originally Posted by really_troubled View Post
    he said "criminal penalties can change" that has nothing to do with being pursued civilly for your criminal actions
    that can change means civilly to me
    I know all about his case and don't make assumptions
    I myself went thru this crap almost 20 years ago with dan caban
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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    that can change means civilly to me
    I know all about his case and don't make assumptions
    I myself went thru this crap almost 20 years ago with dan caban
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    then you should know, that if you are found guilty of a criminal offense, it can be used against you and will all but guarantee a civil judgement against you, if the offended party pursues it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by really_troubled View Post
    then you should know, that if you are found guilty of a criminal offense, it can be used against you and will all but guarantee a civil judgement against you, if the offended party pursues it.
    and gs2 basically said that in his post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunsmoke2 - GS2 View Post
    So it states it's now viewed as a criminal issue and backs that up with giving two recent examples of civil cases.


    There are criminal violations in Canada for piracy but rarely have been used and the penalties handed out have been quite weak.


    Given the choice, if you don't care about having a criminal record being charge criminally in Canada might be a better option than a 100 million dollar judgment.


    Though criminal penalties can change if a judge decides to by pass previous case law and make a more meaningful deterrent.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    and gs2 basically said that in his post
    Show me where he basically said that.

    He is clearly saying that it might be in your interest to be charged criminally in an attempt to get out of a 100 million judgement. A judgement that would only be awarded in a civil suit ... but like I said, that criminal conviction would all but guarantee a subsequent civil suit.

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    Though criminal penalties can change if a judge decides to by pass previous case law and make a more meaningful deterrent.
    and you don't need to found guilty criminally to lose in civil
    just ask OJ

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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    and you don't need to found guilty criminally to lose in civil
    just ask OJ
    that's my point, why would take the chance of being found guilty by both courts

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    Quote Originally Posted by dishuser View Post
    and you don't need to found guilty criminally to lose in civil
    just ask OJ
    You got that right and that shouldn't be right. OJ got shafted

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    Quote Originally Posted by runamok View Post
    You got that right and that shouldn't be right. OJ got shafted
    No he did not.

    The difference is that to be found guilty in criminal court the standard of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Being the highest standard of proof to be met.

    In civil court the standard of proof is "by a preponderance of evidence". The lowest standard of proof. The plaintiff only has to prove that it is more likely than not that they were damaged by the defense.

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    In Canada they only go after the distributors and not the users, just like satellite days.

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