Letter now Court case

[sat*]

curious though,,, why isnt this posted on satscums?

to me,,, its all so ridiculous,,,to think a person can donate (buy a code)
and claimant not even have to PROVE it was even used??? something wrong with this world
when DN and their lawyers can even make such a case,,,so then if
they can point to an enduser connecting to servers?? wouldnt thousands and thousands more be
in same boat,,,thhis is cherry picking at its best,,,

or, it can be a test case for going after endusers,,,imho

No sure if it was anything do with case... But i was told there server was hack no one know who the hacker was or how much information they got. There server was hack at the beginning of this month and the case started roll out on 18. But if all they have is person buying donate that a long shot for dn imo. They much have getting more info that we don't know about or going after people that brought code over long period of time (like every 10-12 month) don't know how long of record W guy keep.

[MarvinGardens]

Under the DMCA they can seek actual damages OR Statutory (sp?) claims.

Besides statutory damages, you also could be liable for DN's attorney fees which could total into the thousands.

[iq180]

No sure if it was anything do with case... But i was told there server was hack no one know who the hacker was or how much information they got. There server was hack at the beginning of this month and the case started roll out on 18. But if all they have is person buying donate that a long shot for dn imo. They much have getting more info that we don't know about or going after people that brought code over long period of time (like every 10-12 month) don't know how long of record W guy keep.

if DN had anything to do with that hack they cant use that info in court, infact they would be in more trouble than the end users,
so if they do have that server info its no good to them.

[alex70olds]

No sure if it was anything do with case... But i was told there server was hack no one know who the hacker was or how much information they got. There server was hack at the beginning of this month and the case started roll out on 18. But if all they have is person buying donate that a long shot for dn imo. They much have getting more info that we don't know about or going after people that brought code over long period of time (like every 10-12 month) don't know how long of record W guy keep.

His rcords went back to at least Jan of 2011, as seen in the forth case filed.

24. Dixon's business records show that Defendant purchased subscriptions to the
Nfusion Private Server television service on or about January 11 and December 30, 2011.

[forzaazzurri]

That paper trail of the payment, and resultant codes seem to be all that they feel they need, for a successful litigation.

Of course, they can't prove that the defendant actually watched their programming; their entire case is built on him having simply purchased the codes.
In fact, I don't see any proof that he even has a satellite dish or receiver, which are necessary to complete the "crime". He could always testify that he purchased the codes with the intent to buy a receiver and dish, then thought against it, and let it go.

The problem is, he will have to pay an attorney to bring that up in court, and lawyers ain't cheap.

They won't win the case based on solely purchasing codes. Not sure if they plan on digging into his IP logs but even then they would have to match the server side to prove what he was connecting to.

[dishuser]

They won't win the case based on solely purchasing codes. Not sure if they plan on digging into his IP logs but even then they would have to match the server side to prove what he was connecting to.

if they didn't think they could win they wouldn' t bother

[forzaazzurri]

if they didn't think they could win they wouldn' t bother

They would bother if it scares the **** out of everyone who gets a demand letter to show they mean business.
100's of demand letters and only 1 court case filed ????

[ftaalltheway]

They would bother if it scares the **** out of everyone who gets a demand letter to show they mean business.
100's of demand letters and only 1 court case filed ????

theyll b a few more BUT certainly NOT the thousands one would
expect going on all the sites they shut down ...to me, paypal has NOTHING to do
with this case...they simply found out where wufman was operating out of and went after his ass and got lucky

much like nfusion fiasco while back,,,

one day they scared peeps into thinking all you needed to do was dll a bin
and WHAMMO your toast,,,heck even FTA sites were closing shop to protect all peeps
why?? cuz DN scared them into it,,,you cant tell me DN dont still have all records of those sites
of all peeps that logged in and dll files and bins to CIRCUMVENT their signal via FTA
receivers,,,i mean,,, like i says, reading between the lines here,,,this is a TEST case
no skin off their nose, peanuts really,, in grand scheme of things

if they win?? then maybe the list grows in leaps and bounds BUT that still doesnt stop the
train,,,iks servers will still connect,,, no matter

[MarvinGardens]

100's of demand letters and only 1 court case filed ????

At least six already filed spanning from Texas to Florida to Indiana to Kentucky.

[Anubis]

They would bother if it scares the **** out of everyone who gets a demand letter to show they mean business.
100's of demand letters and only 1 court case filed ????

More than one.

theyll b a few more BUT certainly NOT the thousands one would
expect going on all the sites they shut down ...to me, paypal has NOTHING to do
with this case...they simply found out where wufman was operating out of and went after his ass and got lucky

much like nfusion fiasco while back,,,

one day they scared peeps into thinking all you needed to do was dll a bin
and WHAMMO your toast,,,heck even FTA sites were closing shop to protect all peeps
why?? cuz DN scared them into it,,,you cant tell me DN dont still have all records of those sites
of all peeps that logged in and dll files and bins to CIRCUMVENT their signal via FTA
receivers,,,i mean,,, like i says, reading between the lines here,,,this is a TEST case
no skin off their nose, peanuts really,, in grand scheme of things

if they win?? then maybe the list grows in leaps and bounds BUT that still doesnt stop the
train,,,iks servers will still connect,,, no matter

Not sure what you consider a few more but having 5 different individual cases in less than 4 days tells me there's a lot more coming down the pipe.
These are dates from 2011. Wuffman sold up until when? oh ya, mid 2012. You do the math. I think you are going to see more than a "few" on this one. JMO

[ftaalltheway]

More than one.


Not sure what you consider a few more but having 5 different individual cases in less than 4 days tells me there's a lot more coming down the pipe.
These are dates from 2011. Wuffman sold up until when? oh ya, mid 2012. You do the math. I think you are going to see more than a "few" on this one. JMO

i hear ya,,,a few, in relative terms,,,if you think about how many thousands
connect to iks?? one would think there should be hundreds of these claims going to court

to me a dozen to even 50 is still a few,,,it will be interesting,,,its all a numbers game at this point
the more they file the better chances at a home run,,,some forget,,,even if found guilty
one can still appeal,,,on and on it goes,,,like i says, IF PP had anything to do with this??

you would see a whole lot more heads (resellers) roll,,,i would like to hope one of these cases
goes all the way and see what evidence they had/have and see if in fact PP records on wuff
was subpoenaed,,,THAT would set the record straight once and for all,,,anyways, its NOT a game
changer by any means,,there will always be endusers connecting to iks until they crash all those servers
for good or those servers run out of seeds,,,imho

[MarvinGardens]

even if found guilty
one can still appeal

When you appeal a civil judgment you have to deposit the entire amount of the judgment against you with the court while the appeal is pending.

So if the trial court determines that you owe DN $10,000 in damages you have to give the court that money before you can even file an appeal.

Then when you lose the appeal, you will also have to pay DN's attorney fees for fighting your appeal.

[ftaalltheway]

When you appeal a civil judgment you have to deposit the entire amount of the judgment against you with the court while the appeal is pending.

So if the trial court determines that you owe DN $10,000 in damages you have to give the court that money before you can even file an appeal.

Then when you lose the appeal, you will also have to pay DN's attorney fees for fighting your appeal.

10,000??? u really and truly beleive these will be the numbers?? highly doubt that,,,

appeal is still good option BUT only for those who can afford to,,, so i get that,,,

isnt anyone in this game rich and only in it (hobby) for funzies?? LOL

side note; earlier today,notice how at NFPS home site they closed the thread started on this
subject?? curious, no? they think just b/c wuffman didnt log in over there,,,still is hypocritical

[MarvinGardens]

10,000??? u really and truly beleive these will be the numbers?? highly doubt that,,,

The court has consistently awarded DN $10,000 in each of the DA default cases.

[alex70olds]

When you appeal a civil judgment you have to deposit the entire amount of the judgment against you with the court while the appeal is pending.

So if the trial court determines that you owe DN $10,000 in damages you have to give the court that money before you can even file an appeal.

Then when you lose the appeal, you will also have to pay DN's attorney fees for fighting your appeal.

Sonicview is apealing, and they did not have this requirement.

10,000??? u really and truly beleive these will be the numbers?? highly doubt that,,,

appeal is still good option BUT only for those who can afford to,,, so i get that,,,

isnt anyone in this game rich and only in it (hobby) for funzies?? LOL

side note; earlier today,notice how at NFPS home site they closed the thread started on this
subject?? curious, no? they think just b/c wuffman didnt log in over there,,,still is hypocritical

Lmao 10k is the established number for endusers. Dont ever think all cases end up on Satscams.