Letter now Court case

[iq180]

in the DA case they did not need a paper trail, they dont need to prove how you got the code, all they need to do is prove you used
a code and that was done with server logs, this case is not the same, they dont have the server logs, if they did this case would be
over and i would say its time to pay the man, i still think without the server logs they dont have good case, time will tell all,JMO.

[Nostradamus]

well how do you know they do not have server logs? and they could have went to the IP instead and got those logs. Both would show the same thing

[Hannibalector]

well how do you know they do not have server logs? and they could have went to the IP instead and got those logs. Both would show the same thing

is the service still ongoing or is it shut down ?

[dishuser]

in the DA case they did not need a paper trail, they dont need to prove how you got the code, all they need to do is prove you used
a code and that was done with server logs, this case is not the same, they dont have the server logs, if they did this case would be
over and i would say its time to pay the man, i still think without the server logs they dont have good case, time will tell all,JMO.

then why did they show the records of purchase?

[Nostradamus]

is the service still ongoing or is it shut down ?

yeah it is still running to the best of my knowledge but who is at the helm? Not the point! did you even read my post? they could go to the defendents internet provider and obtain their logs instead. That would show connections as well

[Hannibalector]

yeah it is still running to the best of my knowledge but who is at the helm? Not the point! did you even read my post? they could go to the defendents internet provider and obtain their logs instead. That would show connections as well

yes I read your whole post...... lol, if the service is still running it's not Nagra at the helm, so I would stop guessing on that one, even if they had insiders and left it running that wouldn't fare to well in court, so that would leave it up to the ISP, damned ambulance chasers anyways....lol

[Hannibalector]

in any of the letters or from the people that recieved them did they have any evidence showing that records were obtained from there ISP ? was it in the court doc's

[iq180]

well how do you know they do not have server logs? and they could have went to the IP instead and got those logs. Both would show the same thing

thats is my point, we dont know and want know untill the case goes to court, then we will know what they have or dont have.

[alex70olds]

in any of the letters or from the people that recieved them did they have any evidence showing that records were obtained from there ISP ? was it in the court doc's

I dont understand how you can come here and argue a point, one way or another, without knowing any of the facts.

[Hannibalector]

I dont understand how you can come here and argue a point, one way or another, without knowing any of the facts.

just asking a few questions alex that's all ....you ok this morning you sound a bit irritable ?

[Nostradamus]

thats is my point, we dont know and want know untill the case goes to court, then we will know what they have or dont have.

well then I guess you will never find out because there is somebody with a big stack of money to burn they will just settle out of court because that is the cheapest way out and then DN has to reveal nothing more than they already have but I am betting if it went to court any place that DN has more then one ace up their sleeve

[alex70olds]

just asking a few questions alex that's all ....you ok this morning you sound a bit irritable ?

Ah you know, was just hoping we could maintain a certain level of intelligent conversation in here.

[Hannibalector]

Ah you know, was just hoping we could maintain a certain level of intelligent conversation in here.

ooooh such wit alex, I guess I'm tired of seeing people get rail roaded over things (yes it's there fault) with regards to extortion, I wonder what Nagra will say to the content providers at the Nab show convention next month with regards to being asked if there signal is secure and there answer is umm no the encrytpion pops out CW's like a vending machine but were doing everything we can to eliminate piracy by sending people over to direct after charging them 3500 dollars, wouldn't you think it's better to come out with a cam that has no way of being intercepted between card and ird ? wouldn't that be more inline with securing a signal ? isn't that Kudelski's / Nagra's job ? signal integrity ?

I know it's not viewed as extortion alex, but I'm asking things in a succession to find answers thats all, you never know what bright minds there are out there alex

[Hannibalector]

this has been ongoing for over 2 years now with no end in sight everything just gets shifted from one spot to another in a 3 card monty game and the results have not changed, IKS is still going and the signal has not changed one aiota.

Nagra has a chance to put an end to the IKS crap and they choose not to, instead they choose to chase ambulances

[alex70olds]

Ok HL, when you have something of value to add to the subject of this thread, please post it. The soap box routine may add to your self proclaimed celeb status, but adds nothing of value to the content of this thread.

Thanks for understanding,

@13X