DN $3500 demand

[Grave Digger]

im not really taking either side on this, nor do i really care too much,

however i think ignoring the letter is the worst option a person could choose, its not going to go away if you stick your head in the sand, it will only get worse, you need to man up and face this and sooner is better than later,

i would not recommend contacting them yourself, get a lawyer to try to negotiate the fee, i think thats the best option, however its just my opinion,

i dont know too much about court and laws so im just brainstorming here,

but,

could a defendant in one of these cases ask the plaintiff to PROVE that the code actually worked for satellite theft?....if you could ask that, i dont think they would be able to prove that the code works, or if the code EVER did work

[rainman2]

I think w****n had all codes and passwords, so all they had to do was test it on any one of the receivers that they probably confiscated from him and ran with it and voila wide open. At least that's what I'm thinking. Correct me it this does not make sense.

[Recove52]

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[sodusme]

Personally I think a better defense is could they prove that you used the code? You have to 'read between the lines' on that demand letter and they are actually stipulating that you used the code, not that the code ever worked or didn't work. To me that is the angle I would pursue. Who cares if the code could have, should have, or would have worked....the real issue at hand is did I use the code. Same line of defense for burglary tools. So you got a ski mask and leather gloves and a screwdriver in your trunk....can those be used for criminal activity....sure they can. But can they prove that you actually used them for that?

Don't get caught up in their circular maze of idiocy guys. By fighting the defense of did these work or can you make them work you are feeding right into their hands. You need to make them prove that you actually used these codes for nefarious purposes. I'll say it again for the 102nd time: Receiving some codes through Paypal does not a pirate make. Its a long stretch to what they are trying to prove here boys.

[kboom]

Sod everything you say sounds good but it is also based on Speculation. You don't have any idea what information the other side has other than what is in the letter. Chances most aren't willing to take at this point. It would be like lining 10 women up and trying pick the virgin. lol. That is my take on it.

[sodusme]

Sod everything you say sounds good but it is also based on Speculation. You don't have any idea what information the other side has other than what is in the letter. Chances most aren't willing to take at this point. It would be like lining 10 women up and trying pick the virgin. lol. That is my take on it.

Well the only thing they could really have that proves you used the code is server logs and I think we are pretty certain at this point that they don't have those.

The way I see it if you argue could it have worked, should it have worked or would it have worked you are admitting to potentially having used the code. That is why I say the defense should be did I use the code. You need to argue the point at hand....and unfortunately....that point they are making is that you used the code. Or at least they are trying to make that point. Like I've said this all looks good on paper but most of what they have I could easily get. Domain name for NFPS (gotten on almost any fta forum), i.p. address of server (gotten on almost any fta forum), ports for server (gotten on almost any fta forum), DES key (gotten on almost any fta forum), hell they even go so far in the letter as to say 'your' DES key....implying its unique....when its not. Everyone used the same DES key for Chr!sts sake but these guys say 'your' DES key?

[hondoharry]

Well the only thing they could really have that proves you used the code is server logs and I think we are pretty certain at this point that they don't have those.

Aren't you forgetting about ISP logs. No problem getting those.

[Grave Digger]

You don't have any idea what information the other side has other than what is in the letter. Chances most aren't willing to take at this point.

i would think they have ALOT more evidence on these people than what is revealed in the letter, the letter is only the tip of the iceberg, why would they reveal, and show you their entire hand before going to court? that wouldnt make any sense

[hondoharry]

i would think they have ALOT more evidence on these people than what is revealed in the letter, the letter is only the tip of the iceberg, why would they reveal, and show you their entire hand before going to court? that wouldnt make any sense

Quite the opposite. The more they reveal, the more they scare you into paying the extortion thus saving all the time in court and trying to collect afterwards.

[kboom]

Anyone volunteer for the test case??

[ranger]

I think many of you folks are just posting to be posting ?? I have read most of the posts that people shared about their Certified Lawyer letters and with the assistance of the reseller, they have the buyers E-Mail, Site user name, home address, the code numbers, port information, date of purchase and for time limit, pay-pal payment information and they are moving to Federal Court... What other information do you think they need to proceed ???

[hondoharry]

I think many of you folks are just posting to be posting ?? I have read most of the posts that people shared about their Certified Lawyer letters and with the assistance of the reseller, they have the buyers E-Mail, home address, the code numbers, port information, date of purchase and for time limit, pay-pal payment information and they are moving to Federal Court... What other information do you think they need to proceed ???

ISP logs showing dates and times connected to the private server.

[sodusme]

ISP logs showing dates and times connected to the private server.

Now if they have those....then yes your goose is cooked.

I just looked at the letter again and I notice they very cleverly write 'Enclosed for your reference is some of the evidence that has been gathered including....'. That's pretty ambiguous wording and could mean anything.

[ranger]

Well from what I have read many times, they only need to prove in Court is that the purchases were made !!!!!!!!

[jeldf]

Personally I think a better defense is could they prove that you used the code? You have to 'read between the lines' on that demand letter and they are actually stipulating that you used the code, not that the code ever worked or didn't work. To me that is the angle I would pursue. Who cares if the code could have, should have, or would have worked....the real issue at hand is did I use the code. Same line of defense for burglary tools. So you got a ski mask and leather gloves and a screwdriver in your trunk....can those be used for criminal activity....sure they can. But can they prove that you actually used them for that?

Don't get caught up in their circular maze of idiocy guys. By fighting the defense of did these work or can you make them work you are feeding right into their hands. You need to make them prove that you actually used these codes for nefarious purposes. I'll say it again for the 102nd time: Receiving some codes through Paypal does not a pirate make. Its a long stretch to what they are trying to prove here boys.

Your theory does make sense......the only downside I see is the amount of info they really have. If they have ones email address, do they have ones Nic on a Sat Forum Site? If one was dumb enough to ever post they were down on N*P* port xxxxx I would think one would have to take this into consideration in ones decision to pay or fight. I'm sure they would have copies of all threads that say Post if you are up or down....... May be their Ace in the Hole.