DN $3500 demand

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

So basically this guys attorneys are saying they don't really have a case....because they can't prove you actually used the codes?

Hmm who'd of thunk it? I am really surprised by that.

LOL

Although I could be wrong I do not think they will need to prove you that you actually used the codes in the Civil proceeding. It really comes down to it be more likely than not. I think with evidence of purchasing codes that have one purpose along with evidence you have equipment than a court could decide it was more likely than not.



GS2

[sodusme]

Although I could be wrong I do not think they will need to prove you that you actually used the codes in the Civil proceeding. It really comes down to it be more likely than not. I think with evidence of purchasing codes that have one purpose along with evidence you have equipment than a court could decide it was more likely than not.



GS2

Yes exactly correct....

Whats gonna be tough is if you have posted out in the open about "Great fight" or "Thanks for the open XYZ channel" and so forth. A preponderance of the evidence is what will get most folks. However on the other side of that if you have been extremely cagey and never posted out in the open or through PM's etc. than I don't know that it will be that easy to prove on DN's part. Of course that could be why they are picking and choosing their battles? Who knows....

[tinhsoftware]

I wonder how would dn know the name and address of the end users. Did they collect those info from internet provider?

[dishuser]

I wonder how would dn know the name and address of the end users. Did they collect those info from internet provider?

really?
how about from paypal?

[sodusme]

I wonder how would dn know the name and address of the end users. Did they collect those info from internet provider?

Dude Paypal rolled like a mutt with fleas. They cannot be trusted.

[Benney]

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[tinhsoftware]

Dude Paypal rolled like a mutt with fleas. They cannot be trusted.

so users can stay away with problem if they use payment without their info on it?

[sodusme]

so users can stay away with problem if they use payment without their info on it?

I'm not quite sure what you are asking? Are you asking can they avoid problems if they don't attach any info. in the comments to the Paypal transaction? Is that what you are asking?

If it is I won't give any advice for using Paypal other than do NOT trust them. They will roll on you and it doesn't take much.

[jeldf]

I'm not quite sure what you are asking? Are you asking can they avoid problems if they don't attach any info. in the comments to the Paypal transaction? Is that what you are asking?

If it is I won't give any advice for using Paypal other than do NOT trust them. They will roll on you and it doesn't take much.

PP is owned by E-Bay and we all know E-Bay will roll on anyone making a bad PP transaction. It's part of their ULA. E-Bay would lose a ton of business if PP was not 'above' board. I'm sure PP is on DN's radar for shady transactions with E-Bay's blessing.

[Grave Digger]

Yes exactly correct....

Whats gonna be tough is if you have posted out in the open about "Great fight" or "Thanks for the open XYZ channel" and so forth. A preponderance of the evidence is what will get most folks. However on the other side of that if you have been extremely cagey and never posted out in the open or through PM's etc. than I don't know that it will be that easy to prove on DN's part. Of course that could be why they are picking and choosing their battles? Who knows....

this is what it all comes down to.....people incriminate themselves, and only have there self to blame!

watch what the F you post on PUBLIC FORUMS FOR ANYONE TO READ!

people who go around saying stupid crap like "excellent UFC fight! thanks NFPS!" are complete idiots and have nobody to blame but themselves!

or even if you post something about freezing, THAT IS AN ADMISSION TO GUILT! THAT PROVES YOU ARE USING AN ILLEGAL IKS SERVICE!

for the love of GOD use your head people!

sometimes i think there is no possible way people can be so stupid....but then i come on here and read these types of posts and people prove me wrong,



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[sami1977]

ok after reading all that, if I decide to settle what's the prove they wont come after me again. Before paying the 3500$ could they send me a letter mention that they won’t pursuit me if future. did anybody negotiate before settling. Did anybody paid and get confirmation about it? Did anybody went to court and win the case?

[Limon]

Reading elswhere it appears that dn got Wuf's panel which lists his clients and gives a lot of incriminating data. It shows your home IP if you are connected to the server, what channel you are watching and how long you have been on that channel. With that 'they' can prove you connected to the server. One guy did try to fight it, but when presented with this evidence he folded. Ended up settling for 75,000.

Wuf couldn't have made it easier for them.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

ok after reading all that, if I decide to settle what's the prove they wont come after me again. Before paying the 3500$ could they send me a letter mention that they won’t pursuit me if future. did anybody negotiate before settling. Did anybody paid and get confirmation about it? Did anybody went to court and win the case?

If you settle than they can not come after you again for the same incident you settled on. However if you were to violate again on a new incident and they had evidence there would be nothing stopping them for going after you on the new incident.

If you settled part of the settlement would be you agreeing that you would not do it again so you could be creating a possible legal issue possibly worse than before if you continued and they found out about it.



GS2

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Reading elswhere it appears that dn got Wuf's panel which lists his clients and gives a lot of incriminating data. It shows your home IP if you are connected to the server, what channel you are watching and how long you have been on that channel. With that 'they' can prove you connected to the server. One guy did try to fight it, but when presented with this evidence he folded. Ended up settling for 75,000.

Wuf couldn't have made it easier for them.

It would be helpful if you had more details on this case being the party ( defendant's name and state ) so it could be looked up to see what happened.


The information your providing suggests they have more evidence that is incriminating and I have not heard/seen that before more that speculation. I am not sure that a case at this stage would have gone to the point of them disclosing this evidence just because of the timing and these cases ( Wuf ) being fairly new as far as court goes.



GS2

[alex70olds]

If you settle than they can not come after you again for the same incident you settled on. However if you were to violate again on a new incident and they had evidence there would be nothing stopping them for going after you on the new incident.

If you settled part of the settlement would be you agreeing that you would not do it again so you could be creating a possible legal issue possibly worse than before if you continued and they found out about it.



GS2

Here is the problem. They should get some guarantee that they can not pursue action for past activity. For example, they bought a code from reseller X, and that ia what the letter is for. So they settle. Then as more of these resellers go down, they find that you bought a code from Y, but it was in the past. They need some sort of agreement that since it was not a future violation, they dont have to pay again. Very tricky to do, I would think,