Letter now Court case

[kboom]

Could not agree more.

[henpecked]

Well you got the diaper part right
I'm wearing em now
Come full circle...can't make it to washroom in time..the age thing, you know
I was never better than anyone...I learned...I taught , kept an open mind and appreciated the help I got.
Don't wanna get into pissin contest...had too many of those...you do whatever

Guys being goodie to shoes about not getting a letter is what I'm talking about. It really doesn't serve a purpose other than you think you are better than everyone else. No disrespect to anyone. By the way I was flipping switches for 1's and 0's before Tandy came out with there first and probably while some of you were still in diapers. lol

[jvvh5897]

Well, the point I was trying to make with my post was that you can not assume that folks watch what you would watch with a hack--assuming that they do is called "having a bias" and judges for these type of cases should not have a bias. They should not assume that just having the code to do IKS is proof of using them to get thousands of dollars of programming--they have to judge the case on the evidence. And evidence of having the codes is not evidence of substantial wrong doing.

[alex70olds]

Well, the point I was trying to make with my post was that you can not assume that folks watch what you would watch with a hack--assuming that they do is called "having a bias" and judges for these type of cases should not have a bias. They should not assume that just having the code to do IKS is proof of using them to get thousands of dollars of programming--they have to judge the case on the evidence. And evidence of having the codes is not evidence of substantial wrong doing.

It does not matter what anyone watches. D!sh has elected to seek statutory damages rather than actual. They have a lot more than just buying a code.

[Nostradamus]

Well, the point I was trying to make with my post was that you can not assume that folks watch what you would watch with a hack--assuming that they do is called "having a bias" and judges for these type of cases should not have a bias. They should not assume that just having the code to do IKS is proof of using them to get thousands of dollars of programming--they have to judge the case on the evidence. And evidence of having the codes is not evidence of substantial wrong doing.

well you should well know that this is a civil suit and not a criminal case and in these proceedings you need a preponderance of the evidence and not definitive proof. Basically, they are based on assumption. So in reality all a judge does in these cases is add 2 +2 and if the result is 4 then you are guilty. may not be fair but you can blame that on the guys who wrote the law. Possession of the code is illegal in the eyes of the court. It is like getting busted with a bag of weed, you might not even smoke dope and be holding it for a friend but if you get caught you are guilty simply by association as you are evidently up to no good. Dope is criminal and harder to prove so that is why they make possession itself a crime.

[alex70olds]

Agreed....time & time again civil versus criminal proceedings are confused.They are not the same.Having purchased the codes is enough to get it done against you.

I don't know if that is true or not, but it does not matter, they have a lot more.

[Nostradamus]

I don't know if that is true or not, but it does not matter, they have a lot more.

well if they can show you had possession of the code that is all they need, paypal records can verify that and internet provider logs can confirm use. They wouldn't need any more than that. Now what would be interesting is if somebody decided to fight it and brought a fta box to court with them and challenged them to prove it connected to an IKS server. By the time most of these things show up on the docket the code would be expired. Now granted internet provider logs might still show otherwise but it might be enough for a bored judge to toss it out of court and set a precedent by doing so LOL

[rambojoe]

well if they can show you had possession of the code that is all they need, paypal records can verify that and internet provider logs can confirm use. They wouldn't need any more than that. Now what would be interesting is if somebody decided to fight it and brought a fta box to court with them and challenged them to prove it connected to an IKS server. By the time most of these things show up on the docket the code would be expired. Now granted internet provider logs might still show otherwise but it might be enough for a bored judge to toss it out of court and set a precedent by doing so LOL

yea you are right,will it connect,and how much can they prove that you did.man did you study law? I vote nostradamus for spokesperson.

[Nostradamus]

yea you are right,will it connect,and how much can they prove that you did.man did you study law? I vote nostradamus for spokesperson.

ROTFL ... nope there is one job I do not want.... mowing the grass in the local cemetary keeps me busy enough

[ftastudent2]

This is a court case against a end user by the name of KAILAS MAGI. Not wuffman.
It clearly states that the said defendant purchased codes from wuff in page one.
Guess Nagra are going after those that are ignoring their letters after all.

Has this action been implemented north of the border to any purchaser yet?

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

Has this action been implemented north of the border to any purchaser yet?

There has been no evidence submitted of demand letters being sent/received so its extremely unlikely that any action was filled.



GS2

[mickb]

of course he does those type of guys always do

[RG6A]

of course he does those type of guys always do

That's what she said.