DN $3500 demand

[Nostradamus]

actually it is the users asking stupid questions like is HBO down or making statements about how good the UFC fight was that gets a lot of these people red flagged. Then you have those insist on using their real name or email as a nick in the forums. Might as well just call them on the phone and confess

[alex70olds]

Wufman turned over all his business records that's why all his customers got letters PP just confirmed it.

How do you think they got his identity? It is not like he was feeling guilty and just gave them everything. It was exactly as I said. The records, which were in RTF, listed people by username and or email, not true names. The got Wuffs identity exactly as I said, same as Razor, BPG, Nexiks, etc., etc. And they will continue to do it as long as people are stupid enough to use IKS and even more idiotic use PP. And NOST is right also as they use your posts against you also.

[hondoharry]

Wufman turned over all his business records that's why all his customers got letters PP just confirmed it.

Not so. Wufman did not have access to personal info of his customers to send letters. Only PayPal had the personal info of Wuf AND his customers. Wuf's contribution was most likely forum nics, email addies and PM's.

[Angel Eyes]

does really matter ..damage is done

[dishuser]

does really matter ..damage is done

it does matter...to prevent further damage

[goadus]

I received a letter this morning but did not sign for it. After reading this thread I wonder if I should have.

[mechanicman]

Damn!! really sorry to hear that...do some googling for additional info..other peoples cases may be different..

I received a letter this morning but did not sign for it. After reading this thread I wonder if I should have.

[rambojoe]

me new to this, but from what i've read,don't ignore this, it won't go away,only gets worse.no read on anyone beating the letter.

[dirtydcdn]

I am really curious on how they could ask for so much of a penalty. If you were to have purchased a subscription with all of the channels you would be no where near the price they are asking for. It would be like stealing a car worth a 1000 dollars and paying for a 100,000 dollar car to replace it. Would they not also have to have an itemized channel listing of what you watched in order to come to a damage total. Also what is to stop a person from using someones open internet access to use an iks system? The problem with IKS and traceability has always been the paper trail. I remember a site a long time ago that would sell pens to access there site... cannot remember for the life of me what fta site that was. If a seller sold a pen with "codes" to access a private site would that be a loophole? Would really like sodusme input on this one as he seems to really know his Sheet.

[Nostradamus]

I would say the problem with selling pens is that then you have the server guys with your address as well unless you forego the pen but you can sure there would be a lot of people complaining it they didn't get their pen

[alex70olds]

I am really curious on how they could ask for so much of a penalty. If you were to have purchased a subscription with all of the channels you would be no where near the price they are asking for. It would be like stealing a car worth a 1000 dollars and paying for a 100,000 dollar car to replace it. Would they not also have to have an itemized channel listing of what you watched in order to come to a damage total. Also what is to stop a person from using someones open internet access to use an iks system? The problem with IKS and traceability has always been the paper trail. I remember a site a long time ago that would sell pens to access there site... cannot remember for the life of me what fta site that was. If a seller sold a pen with "codes" to access a private site would that be a loophole? Would really like sodusme input on this one as he seems to really know his Sheet.

The pen site was f2a. Did not help Teckno in the least.

As far as damages, under the DMCA it is the plaintiffs choice to purse actual, or statutory. Echo has always elected statutory, which are the limits set by congress when the law was written. There are 2 levels of limits. One would be the enduser, and the other would be those that profit financially. You can not win, when they send you a letter it is because they got you.

[Anubis]

The pen site was f2a. Did not help Teckno in the least.

As far as damages, under the DMCA it is the plaintiffs choice to purse actual, or statutory. Echo has always elected statutory, which are the limits set by congress when the law was written. There are 2 levels of limits. One would be the enduser, and the other would be those that profit financially. You can not win, when they send you a letter it is because they got you.

So true and now we shall see 20 new posts with hypothetical "what if's" based on this direct to the point post you made alex!

[dirtydcdn]

Do you guys see satellite tv even being around in 5-10 years? Sooner or later it will end up being an internet based television. It pretty much has now. With services like Netflix, your xbmc's, networks showing there shows on their websites... really makes you wonder why more people have not gone that way. I guess it comes down to the time and effort of learning to adjust with technology. One thing I love about going down to the States is that there are still video rental stores. You would also think that the networks would join together and offer the tv services free to the end user and make their money off of advertising.

[surfinisfun]

So true and now we shall see 20 new posts with hypothetical "what if's" based on this direct to the point post you made alex!

I'll say 30 more hypothetical questions for $3,500 Alex.

[1boxman]

So is Hijacking ok ??? or punishable ?