DN $3500 demand

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

not the best example but i do agree with the point youre trying to make...the whole point of this scheme (extortion letters) is that dn/nag is able to enforce this complaint in CIVIL court b/c of the slim chances they would have in CRIMINAL courts, period

there are a lot of holes with these letters BUT not one peep who got one of these has paid for a PROFESSIONAL lawyer to take this crap on and i mean HEAD ON and make a mockery of what this whole shiate (letters) is...until THAT happens? dn will continue to force this donation/code issue down the enduser's throat via the corrupt (civil) court system...this is true in both sides of the border, HOWEVER, i know for a fact if anyone went in there and screamed "CHERRY PICKING" and forced DN/NAG to PROVE what they are CLAIMING? they would be done like a splattered snake on Arizona back roads...man i wish i was a lawyer cuz THAT would be my NEW mission...yeah i would prob lose a few before i hit it big, but i would HIT IT HUGE once i got the legal wrangling down

What holes do you see in the demand letter. ? I think this whole issue of the demand letter is overblown because it really has nothing to do with any of the legal issues that would be argued in court. I don't see any defense based on the demand letter being this or that.


I also believe some have contacted professional lawyers for advice and maybe take it on. A real good lawyer will be honest with you about your chances and the costs to defend. He could say I'll take it on for you but I have to warn you about this and that, do you want to move forward. Other lawyers might be oh so happy to take this on you for as long as they see the green bucks.


So far I have seen that they have proof of the business records of your purchase of subscription plus I saw pics of some panels posted even know I don't fully understand that plus a support affidavit from Wulfman which all count towards possibly proving their claim. I do see that unfortunately as somewhat strong evidence. I don't a splattered snake serniro, maybe a close battle to irked out a possible win if your clean with no incriminating posts, not having owned a receiver but certainly no cake walk.




GS2

[dishtrasher]

After reading some of the judges arguments for entering default judgements, there is some space to fight back. The only evidence they have shown of using codes are private messages and incriminating posts under a nickname in a forum, but that evidence are in default judgements so nobody have argued against that. They don't even know what box you have if any. They have not shown ip, isp or server records.

Wuf declaration only states that he resold codes for iks servers, codes that were shutdown by nfps for being stolen codes, but he has no control of the server. That declaration doesn't stand a cross questioning in court.

Yesterday DN filed 4 more lawsuits. The best advise a lawyer can give you is to pay the $3500. Going to trial is going to cost much more in legal representation. Nobody have went to trial, most cases entered default with two or three fighting in early stages and ending in dismissals after negotiating.

You can't go one on one with them, they have the attorneys and the money, the only way to go is joining forces with others in the same situation to share expenses and strategy.

They can't prove you have a box, of course if you receive a letter take all boxes, cables, antennas, etc. out of your house.
They can't prove you have actually used the codes, none of those codes are working, they have either expired or canceled.
They don't know what you have done with the code, when or how you have used it, what channels you have viewed, they only have wuf declaration of selling a code.

They use forum posts as evidence against you, use forum posts as evidence against them. nfps is most of the time down, when isn't a ecm, servers down, codes not working, boxes not connecting, ports changing, etc. Go to the forums from beta to zeta and there is your evidence that codes don't work,won't connect, were canceled.

Today's server status show as freezing/limited. Thousands of down, freezing, can't connect, not working, etc. posts across dozens of forums. You were scammed by wuf and you can prove that with the same evidence they use. They have posted the stolen non working codes, all wuf codes are on that list. They have forum posts against you, you have forum posts of codes not working.

Stolen donations.pdf

[dishuser]

where did you see that wuf sold stolen codes?

[surfinisfun]

Stolen codes, man thats funny.

To dn they're all stolen codes and if they worked and they have proof you bought them ect.....then wuf gave up everything but his first born, you're kind of sol.

[dishtrasher]

The file stolen donations.pdf list more than 22,000 stolen codes. That file was posted at the announcements section at zeta. Most of wuf codes are in that list.

[surfinisfun]

The file stolen donations.pdf list more than 22,000 stolen codes. That file was posted at the announcements section at zeta. Most of wuf codes are in that list.

I don't see how that makes a damn bit of difference in the courts eyes......why? cause it wouldn't.

[dishtrasher]

wuf says you bought a code to access nfps, that declaration have the same value to the court as any other declaration.

they file as evidence of code use private messages and forum posts

forums posts by nfps admins list your code as stolen and cancelled

forum post vs forum post, forum post from a reseller vs forum post from nfps admins, is up to the court to decide

when the only evidence is wuf declaration and a forum post, you have some space to fight back in the same grounds

[dishuser]

The file stolen donations.pdf list more than 22,000 stolen codes. That file was posted at the announcements section at zeta. Most of wuf codes are in that list.

strange i don't see his name there

[dishtrasher]

Anyone with a wuf code from 2012 will find the code number on that list. He declared that he sold 3,200 nfps codes from november 2010 to july 2012, there isn't listed all 3,200 codes, only the ones discovered on february 2013

[dishuser]

Anyone with a wuf code from 2012 will find the code number on that list.

even if that's true do you think the judge will accept what a thief says?lol

[dishtrasher]

wuf is no thief, he is a honorable gentleman that infiltrated nfps to take it down

wuf is a thief, profiting from iks code sales scam, once being caught by dn hands off information to save his a**

if a thief declaration is unacceptable, then dn has no evidence

all the lawsuit is based on wuf declaration, any good lawyer can destroy that in a minute

if that declaration is enough evidence, why is dn searching for evidence of actual code use?

[dishuser]

wuf is no thief, he is a honorable gentleman that infiltrated nfps to take it down

wuf is a thief, profiting from iks code sales scam, once being caught by dn hands off information to save his a**

if a thief declaration is unacceptable, then dn has no evidence

all the lawsuit is based on wuf declaration, any good lawyer can destroy that in a minute

if that declaration is enough evidence, why is dn searching for evidence of actual code use?

where did I say wuf was the thief?
try again

[dishtrasher]

you don't, I do

even if that's true do you think the judge will accept what a thief says?

your thief declaration vs my thief declaration

we can argue for years without knowing if someone have reason, because nobody is contending wuf declaration in court

my opinion after reading dozen of court documents from endusers lawsuits is that there is space to fight back and win, but that is going to cost

[torpainter]

If you call an employee selling codes without the owners knowing then i can guess you can say they were stolen...lol

[dishuser]

If you call an employee selling codes without the owners knowing then i can guess you can say they were stolen...lol

and the employer is a thief