DN $3500 demand

[dhiraja]

So I read the other threads and some people say seek legal advice, people say pay it, and others say DN are fishing. IS their anyone that tried each method... if so how did it work? If I just ignore it is that it or would this go to litigation. Second, they sent the letter to my parents house and they signed for it. I moved about 6 months ago (same state) and it's an official move too in other words post office and the city knows of my address change. Would that have any leverage?

[Dells]

about how long ago was the purchase? and to whom? A reseller?

[dhiraja]

I first bought from wuffman then from nokia. I brought from wuffman about a year or more ago and nokia about 6 months ago

[Dells]

Thanks for the response........I was curious to see if they were all still coming from the same roll over. I've seen some lately where people purchased 3 years ago from Wuf.

[dhiraja]

Can anyone else chime in?

[Peachseed]

No...The more you stir it the worse it stinks...

[smallyjohnson]

look at the code they sent you with the demand and you will be able to tell if it was wuffs or nokias. more than likely wuff as it seems they send them out in batches . also i think it depends what state your in for them to take it futher. look at the current filings for court they are only in a select few states . if you reside in one of the states that currently has a case going > well good luck! if you decide to ignore it make sure to tell your parents not to give your current address to anyone. in case its a proccess server. if they cant serve you it will make it harder for them to get a default judgement. as for the registered mail at the incorrect address it was probably sent to the address listed on your paypal assuming you paid that way godspeed "lil dik"

[cheff]

So I read the other threads and some people say seek legal advice, people say pay it, and others say DN are fishing. IS their anyone that tried each method... if so how did it work? If I just ignore it is that it or would this go to litigation. Second, they sent the letter to my parents house and they signed for it. I moved about 6 months ago (same state) and it's an official move too in other words post office and the city knows of my address change. Would that have any leverage?

Doesn't matter who bought code from now they have you. Only choice is to pay the 3500 it will cost you more to fight it. If they file in court which they will , you'll loose 10,000 . There's no other way out of it that's a fact.

[Just_angel]

I first bought from wuffman then from nokia. I brought from wuffman about a year or more ago and nokia about 6 months ago

i`m really curious to whom the reseller was ..the name should be in the documents

[sodusme]

So I read the other threads and some people say seek legal advice, people say pay it, and others say DN are fishing. IS their anyone that tried each method... if so how did it work? If I just ignore it is that it or would this go to litigation. Second, they sent the letter to my parents house and they signed for it. I moved about 6 months ago (same state) and it's an official move too in other words post office and the city knows of my address change. Would that have any leverage?

If it was 'certified' which it should have been to assure delivery and your parents signed for it then its good as trash. It has to be signed for by the recipient....unless you live at your parents house which you have already said you don't. There is no guarantee that you will ever see the letter by your parents signing for it. That is why it is sent 'certified' and that is why I say its as good as trash. Your parents could lose the letter, they could have a disagreement with you and not forward it to you, they could be forgetful and not even remember signing for the letter depending on their age, and so on and so forth.

I won't tell you what I would do as I'm not the average bear and I don't expect other people to follow my lead. But I do have a website that might help you:

http://www.piratecardblues.com/

If you read this guys article (he IS an attorney and I'm not) he seems to know what he's talking about. I think he even offers legal help/advice for like $49.00 Paypal. For that small amount you can't lose seeing what he has to say and who knows it might get the wolves off you.

Doesn't matter who bought code from now they have you. Only choice is to pay the 3500 it will cost you more to fight it. If they file in court which they will , you'll loose 10,000 . There's no other way out of it that's a fact.

No its not a 'fact' stop trying to scare the guy there is no guarantee which ever way he goes will cost anymore money then another way. You need to read some of the cases that Alex posted. Just because you are served a demand letter (which he legally wasn't since his parents signed for it) doesn't mean you are going to be sued, it also doesn't mean that you will automatically have to pay 10K.

[dhiraja]

I guess im nearing taking out a loan to pay this. I might lose my house over this crap. I wish I didn't bother with this crap. Im straight legit now.

[harescrambleracer]

Just from reading your post, you'll never have any peace of mind ignoring it, There are some lawyers out there that is beating this case and they aren't charging 10,000 dollars. If you get a lawyer that say it will cost this then find another one, he probably doesn't have a clue about this type of case.. You ought to at least talk to a few before you cave in and get a loan,, For starters one lawyer stopped this process by showing the ones taking you to court doesn't have the grounds to sue for copyright because only the ones that own the copyright can do that which would be only the ones that made the program or movie,, If this case gains ground it could overturn every law suite they have won.. It's an extremely big blow to DN. In other words call up and talk to a lawyer. The link sodusme can give you a little insight on this..

[sodusme]

I guess im nearing taking out a loan to pay this. I might lose my house over this crap. I wish I didn't bother with this crap. Im straight legit now.

Why the hell would you take out a loan already? Just relax did you even look at the URL I posted?

When his banner reads:

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then you know he is familiar with this kind of stuff.

Not to mention he offers to 'advise' you for a hell of a lot less then 10K or even $3500 for that matter.

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If you're not gonna read and act on the advice given here then why ask for it I guess is my question? I'm beginning to wonder what side of the fence you are posting from now. You come on here and ask for 'advice'....which is forthcoming and given to you. Then you apparently ignore the advice and say "Well I'll just take out a loan this wasn't worth it". Kind of sounds suspicious to me bud. Almost like a public service announcement if you get where I'm coming from?

Anyways good luck 'cause your gonna need it with your attitude.

Just from reading your post, you'll never have any peace of mind ignoring it, There are some lawyers out there that is beating this case and they aren't charging 10,000 dollars. If you get a lawyer that say it will cost this then find another one, he probably doesn't have a clue about this type of case.. You ought to at least talk to a few before you cave in and get a loan,, For starters one lawyer stopped this process by showing the ones taking you to court doesn't have the grounds to sue for copyright because only the ones that own the copyright can do that which would be only the ones that made the program or movie,, If this case gains ground it could overturn every law suite they have won.. It's an extremely big blow to DN. In other words call up and talk to a lawyer. The link sodusme can give you a little insight on this..

Exactly....I posted a link to an attorney in New York that can help and its apparent that the o.p. ignored the link and already has his mind made up.

[iq180]

DN has no case, a half Axs lawyer could beat this case, they say the code has but one use and that is to get there service without
paying them for it, THIS IS NOT TRUE, infact you can use the code to get B3V, SKY Mexico, or DN, so they cant say you ever used it
to get there service, No Server Logs No Case,JMO.

[BPG]

I would talk to that lawyer first, but that's just me..... but What do I know :/

BPG~