Visiting Dignitary
I have seen him post over and over he is not an attorney. That does not mean we can not have a great discussion because we are not members of the bar. I don't have a dog in the race either, but I can guarantee I can site more cases regarding this issue than 99% of those accepted by the bar. I have been around this game forever.Originally Posted by kboom
Visiting Dignitary
Oh I am laughing....
I'm not angry with you in the least bit. I just don't see the relevance of me saying "Yeah I talked with an attorney and he said this or he said that". That isn't going to help anyone. A lot of what gets posted on these forums is either A) misleading or B) out right wrong information.
Like Alex said I have in no way tired to represent myself as an attorney I'm simply looking at all the evidence (as I know it since I obviously don't have a letter) and trying to reason some of it away. Like the fact that they are citing a paragraph of the DMCA that cannot be proven. I don't care how many people say they can prove that DMCA clause....they simply cannot. There is no logical way without ISP logs that they can prove beyond a preponderance of the evidence that your receiver was parked on channel XYZ for X amount of time resulting in a loss of X amount of dollars in programing. It simply cannot be proven from some 'codes' alone. Now if they have ISP logs than yeah your goose is cooked. Otherwise its utter hogwash.
All we are trying to do here is have a conversation and reason some of this out like adults. I don't need people telling me "Well you must have more money than me" and "Why don't you call an attorney". I'm not gonna bother doing all that. You all are grown adults here. If you were grown up enough to use IKS than you have made your bed and now you have to lie in it. That may sound harsh but I meant it when I said I was smart enough not to use IKS. A few of us on these forums have recited the dangers of it for many, many years. It all fell on deaf ears. So now I'm supposed to comb through the phone book and call a bunch of attorneys and relay back what they said? Sorry bro' but I'm busy man and I don't have time for that stuff.
alex70olds, JCO, kboom, waldo
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You seem to have all the answers ....and think to know me..If you think this can be beaten then by all means try it and prove us all wrong
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I think you know it can be beaten too but again your 'objective' is cost.
I noticed you didn't refute that assessment but rather switched gears again. That is an all too familiar tactic when someone doesn't want to admit the truth.
So lets ask again: Are there attorneys that WILL take this and you are not willing to shell out the money or are there NOT any attorneys willing to take this? Its a simple question norm?
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Now that sounds like logic 101 in college. lol. It obviously all boils down to (how deep are your pockets). Who is right and who is wrong is not the question. Would love to be sitting on an extra $100,000. to play with. But to just throw it away to prove a point...I would have to think about pretty hard. $3,500 can be lost at the crap table in a few min. It's all a game my friend sometimes you win and sometimes you lose but the game goes on. Until someone actually goes to court and wins or loses everything said here is just opinions. The discussion is great just want folks that read this to understand that nothing is set in concrete and don't take things the wrong way. Dam have to go to work.
Member
Again your so confident you could beat it so why not help the others that need help ..dish out the cash prove us wrong
Visiting Dignitary
You need to help yourself before a default judgment is entered against you my good man.
I've already helped you all I can. You are unwilling to be honest with yourself (or the forum) so there is nothing more I can do for you.
Member
Ok like i said i seen no way out of it nor did any lawyers i talked to so i worked out an agreement to pay them rather than to lose time and money at work. My job means more to me than taking a chance on spending more money on this bull ****. If you think it can be beaten have at it and prove it to others because from what i see so far your about the only one that can beat it..good luck to you if you get a letter.
Visiting Dignitary
So it was about 'money' than not that you couldn't find an attorney or that none would take it? You could have 'taken a chance' as you put it and actually retained an attorney than? I realize you have other financial obligations and again that is not my business but you led people to believe that every attorney you talked to wouldn't touch this and than in subsequent posts now you are eluding to the fact that it was a financial decision on your part.
I'm not trying to beat you up over this I'm really not. But when you're posting here you need to post the truth and if the truth is "Look I didn't wanna throw money at this" than that is the cold hard truth. People are looking towards you guys that got letters for advise and you may or may not sway someones decision by telling them that you were not able to find an attorney....when in actuality it was for financial reasons that you chose not to go that route. Someone might be reading your post and say "Well this guy couldn't get an attorney so I'm not even gonna try".
I don't have a letter nor would I get a letter but if I did get one I would gladly take you up on your offer of proving that it can be beaten. Honestly I would relish the day I'm hauled into court over some nonsense like this. I'm not attorney but I am damn smart and I'm not saying that you or anyone else reading this is not just as capable....but I don't cotton well to idle threats. I've been threatened several times by Comcast for actions arising on my network. I fire off an email or two and a phone call here or there and the dogs relent. I'm still here and I'm still doing what I do.
My apologies if you read more into my posts than what I was stating. My only goal is to try to reason some of this stuff out and maybe give insight into what more evidence they could or could not have. That is all I hope to achieve. I am not independently wealthy, I'm not an attorney, I'm not anyone but a smart@ss tech savvy guy that specializes in online security and I enjoy some good banter now and than.
Junior Member
When you received the letter, was the code still active?
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I really hope you get a letter so all the members here can see how you do.Each and every person that gets a letter has to make there own decision on what to do. All i am saying is i have the cash to fight this but why fight a losing battle ,why is it so hard for you to understand? The lawyers i have talked to are not only good but are friends of the family and gave me there honest opinion on what to do so if you or anyone else does not want to believe it i wont lose no sleep over it. I am done with this.. my $3500 is paid so this hobby is now in the past.
Visiting Dignitary
Trust me I won't get one....
Nice public announcement btw. First it was:and now its:work out a payment plan with dish and make a decision either stop with IKS or risk getting cought AGAIN !!!!!Very interesting posts. Hope you get your 'bonus' for reeling in the payments for Hagan, Noll and Boyle. Fear mongering always works....well maybe it doesn't.my $3500 is paid so this hobby is now in the past.
Senior Member
I'm not anyone but a smart@ss tech savvy guy that specializes in online security and I enjoy some good banter now and than.
And has repeated in numerous post ,the results that can happen using IKS...you would think some would get a clue: Thanks Sod
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If you settled arent you breaking the setlement by posting on an FTA site??
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i have read many of your posts and you have made many remarks that indicate you are a fairly wealthy individual, so i have to question why somebody who has a great job, and is apparently as wealthy as you are is using IKS in the first place? going by your remarks i draw the conclusion that you could easily afford a good sub account, so why bother taking the risk of IKS to begin with?
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