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As I stated before, PP was never involved in my case. Wuff computer is what they are using ,they had named this web site as place of contact, my handle here, and my email address, and the codes that were purchased by me. Nothing about PP was ever mentioned. hope this helps someone.
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then how did they get your real name and address??Originally Posted by nitrogabby
DODGE the father
RAM the daughter
“Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.”
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They got that info from Wuff computer. He wanted an email address to send things to. I had presumed that they got info from tracking email address. I don't know for sure, all I know is that there was no mention of anything about PP on my paper work I recieved from lawyer.
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from an email addy?
paypal gave up your info
DODGE the father
RAM the daughter
“Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut.”
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Today I have heard from somebody close to me, that somehow, by pure coincidence I assure you, that person is now a proud recipient of a copy of this long debated $3,500 letter. As nitrogabby states above, the only information shown as proof on the third page after all the legalese is the DES (not unique), the email address used with PP, the alleged screen name on this forum prior to 9/2012, the not yet court established illegal codes, server DNS name, port used and IP address, and a field named Report that I believe identifies the source of the information (such as "Leo nfps 12210.rtf" and "NFPS website port 10510.rtf"). There was no mention of Dixon or Wuffman names in the letter. However, records show that Wuffman was already in bed with DN since allegedly the transaction was done long before his “official” roll-over date of 7/2012 shown somewhere in this thread. The reseller "ASKED" specifically for an email address to send the information after repeated PM’s requests directed to him in this forum. The email given to Wuffman is not the one used for PP. So far most of the proof shown comes from Wuffman's records although I am positive that PP got involved since the exactly misspelled mailing address was used to send the certified letter along with PP linked email address. It is an eye opener for me as I ponder an answer to sodusme's question related to Internet activity tracking. That person close to me now has 29 days to find a way out of this mess or make a contribution to those who perpetuate this SCAM in their quest to quench their greed.
IMPORTANT NOTE: You have to understand that the plaintiff is trying to create a precedent in one and/or all districts before unleashing a widespread action based on the info gained from Wuffman and possibly others like him. There have been speculations regarding some of the cases dismissed before going in front of a judge. My friend can confirm that in at least 2 cases a settlement agreement was reached between the plaintiff and the defendant prior to stepping into the courtroom. In each case an undisclosed amount of money was paid by the defendant and the case was dismissed with all parties being responsible for their own lawyer fees. No defendant to date had the case dismissed because the plaintiff realized that due to lack of sufficient factual evidence they stand a good chance of losing their case, thus creating a precedent in our favor. Settlements and defaults do not create precedents. One or more clear cut cases with one party winning will eventually create that precedent. Currently the plaintiff is doing a very finely tuned balancing act, carefully attempting to create a precedent in their favor, while collecting any amount of money from everyone involved. So far this strategy worked for the plaintiff as they clearly avoided creating a precedent in defendant’s favor while milking as much money as possible. Adopting a tougher stance, such as dragging everyone into court and trying to obtain a minimum of 10k judgment or more, not only will lead to having to deal with collection efforts thereafter, but it could actually prompt one or more defendants to spend the time and the money required to create that precedent in favor of future defendants.
After reading all the posts in this thread and coroborating with answers from four qualified attorneys I can offer this simple advice. Analyze carefully your posting activity, the content of email and PM exchanges, the payment method, and your current social and financial situation. Understand that the only link between your forum nickname, Wuffman and you as a physical person is the PP transaction or any other traceable financial delivery method. In my opinion this should be the key factor to your decision. Based on your own analysis and confirmation from at least one legal counsel proceed in dealing with the issue at hand. If you truly have not involved yourself in such alleged activities take it to the court and then proceed from there in order to collect from plaintiff , if possible, paid attorney fee after winning your case. If you truly have nothing to lose financially and/or socially then do nothing about it. If, on the other hand you stand to place in hardship your family then give the money away and be done.
People, TV is no longer what it used to be and in all honesty it has been probably more than 6 months since I personally watched TV. Lately, I find that life offers other venues to truly enrich and stimulate one's brain. The garbage we all watch only dumbs us down and makes us slaves to those who cannot otherwise justify their position as elite without having someone to look down upon. The only way this witch hunt will ever end is by us, collectively, coming to the conclusion that we have better things to do with our lives other than watching over and over commercials, shows, movies, and any other TV programming that has mostly negativity build in and very little value. Just stop watching TV, stop paying subscriptions, just STOP empowering the elite. Our need to socialize as human beings is what drives us to watch TV, pay the phone bill, the Internet subscription without realizing that all these once beneficial venues are now slowly contributing to our very own demise as a society. I also gave up for some time now on GPS assistance as I can confirm that using GPS services reduced my capacity to retain information and orient myself in the world. I did not need this crap before when I was younger and I do not need this now for sure. Our choices make us who we are. I hope you make your choice and start moving in the right direction. Good luck.
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Actually there is no way to trace an email back to a persons name and address. They got it from Paypal without a doubt.
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I find it utterly amazing that someone would keep detailed records outlining the illegal activity they were engaged in and even name the file exactly what it pertained to: nfps 12210.rtf, not bothering to encrypt it or even name it something innocent.
I hate to say it but that takes a special kind of stupid.
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I find it utterly amazing that someone would keep detailed records outlining the illegal activity they were engaged in and even name the file exactly what it pertained to: nfps 12210.rtf, not bothering to encrypt it or even name it something innocent.
I hate to say it but that takes a special kind of stupid.
sod, i am saying this with all due respect, but quit your damn speculating and assumptions,
you have no idea if he used encryption or not, so stop assuming he did not,
they could break any encryption he was using, however chances are he gave up all this info willingly, so an encryption wouldn't matter a damn anyway
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I too wonder why the hell someone would keep records on iks stuff when it is what it is in dn's eyes.
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It's pretty simple why they would do this. It's their bargaining chip in case they get caught. They rat out other people to reduce their punishment in exchange for the records. It's a win-win situation for the seller and DN.
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With all due "respect" why is it that you find the need to contradict everything I say on here? If you can prove that ANY encryption can be beat than post it up. That is all I'm asking. Until that time its just idle b.s. chatter and arguing on your part.
What is it with you having a hard on for me? Do you not like me? Frankly I don't give a rats *ss if you do or not but I'm sure everyone here is tired of reading your little bickering match with me.
Furthermore you have no idea what I do. I'm a security professional specializing in website circumvention. I make it a habit to keep up on technology and this type of stuff and what has been broken and what has not regarding encryption. This isn't some little cat and mouse IKS game for me like it might be for you. Its my life as its what I do every day of my life.
If you're trying to simply "disagree" with me than take the edge of your posts and stop swearing and demanding that I don't "speculate or assume" and telling me what I know and what I don't know. That p*sses me off quite frankly and is a good way to get on my bad side. If you wish to question me on how I know certain encryption CANNOT be broken than simply ask me. I'll be happy to post up why I have posted my view on it and you are in turn more than welcome to post up YOUR side of why you feel it can. I will be posting examples as I have in the past and you would be expected to do the same. Until that time I'll ask you to start backing up your posts with some proof or I'll have no other choice but to view it as argumentative and deal with it accordingly.
If you'd like to discuss encryption start up a thread on it as I'm sure management is tired of this back and forth with you and me.
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Here I'll be happy to discuss this further with you here:
http://www.satfix.net/showthread.php...302#post978302
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This is a forum where everyone gets to state their opinion. It's about discussion. With all due respect Grave Digger, you seem to only stop in and speak your 'gospel' pay, pay, pay and you can't beat them. We get it! How much $$ do you get for every nic that says they will just pay?
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It's a RTF file. You think thats encrypted? Also SOD PGP encryption may not be hacked, but there is decryption software all over the net. Just pointing it out. Not disagreeing with you.
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Yeah I saw that software it runs about $300 I think? That is if you are referring to Elcomsofts software? I don't mind if anyone disagrees with me but its the "tone" they use. You have been respectful in your questioning of "Hey isn't there software that can break that"? This is how we learn about things. And the short answer is YES if you are complacent and lazy as this article says. Otherwise it essentially is not broken. Unless there is something I haven't seen on this and again that is how we learn. I don't know everything and I'm open to being corrected. What I'm not open to is Grave Digger constantly telling me "You don't know what you're talking about" without posting anything to back it up.
From what I'm reading you need to have certain criteria present to be able to retrieve the password.
Code:http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/20/elcomsoft_tool_decrypts_pgp/in the right conditions, can be circumvented thanks to human laziness:As a result, keys used to encrypt and decrypt data that’s being written or read from protected volumes are kept readily accessible in the computer’s operating memory.Now I'm sure this is info. that the Feds and DN/Nagra or whoever else would have a vested interest in knowing whats on your HDD would rather doesn't get out but its public information.Encrypted drives must be mounted at the time a memory dump is taken or else the process will fail to work. For this and other reasons, considerable skill and some luck is needed to use the tool properly.
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