Letter now Court case

[ftaalltheway]

The court has consistently awarded DN $10,000 in each of the DA default cases.

cept we all know DA is much diffrent from this type claim..plus
to think DN would actually believe (if they win) they would get a customer out of
these end users if they make them go broke??knowing how piss poor
most endusers are in this hobby?? if its to scare you away from the hobby??
well, good luck with THAT,,,
the ONLY judgement that would make sense???
is make an enduser PROMISE to never be involved with IKS and then make
them sign for a 3yr agreement with a sub to their premium line-up

THAT is IF a judge has a brain in their head...dn makes me laugh

[burnsy]

Sonicview is apealing, and they did not have this requirement.



Lmao 10k is the established number for endusers. Dont ever think all cases end up on Satscams.

Blasphemer!!!!!!! you cast doubt on the all knowing ones LOL

[MarvinGardens]

Sonicview is apealing, and they did not have this requirement.

Most district courts require posting of a bond in order to stay the judgment, ultimately it is up to the discretion of the court.

[iq180]

The court has consistently awarded DN $10,000 in each of the DA default cases.

the DA case is not the same thing as we have here, in the DA case they had the server logs, them people were screwed from the start and should have just paid the money, but in this case they dont have the server logs, but only time will tell all.

[alex70olds]

the DA case is not the same thing as we have here, in the DA case they had the server logs, them people were screwed from the start and should have just paid the money, but in this case they dont have the server logs, but only time will tell all.

Legally, judgement wise, it is the same thing. The evidence may be different.

[fifties]

A good, spirited discussion.

Yes, a bond is the usual way to satisfy a judgment on appeal, just as it is to satisfy a bail. After all, how many average ppl have 10 grand they can fork over, just like that?

DN is following Dave's playbook, to a degree. Dave had dealers busted and obtained their sales records, in order to locate purchasers of equipment that could have been used to hack their cards (card programmers, unloopers, boot boards, etc.).

Then they did their best to convince the bench that the use of these items was strictly limited to piracy (because they were bought from a "pirate" dealer), and on that basis the purchaser MUST have used it to hack into their service illegally, and they were therefore entitled to damages (a judgment).

Of course, the fact that it was SPECULATION on their part (that the equipment was used to hack their signal) could only be illuminated if one paid an attorney to meet them in court. Often times, "pirate" dealers -those advertising on satellite hacking forums (remember, "Pirates Den"?) had lower prices on items that were perfectly innocent, such as card programmers, and drew customers completely outside the satellite hacking community, who were also served by Dave.

[alex70olds]

I agree bro, gr8 discusion. Dish has failed before going after the enduser. It reminded me of this case. It will be interesting to see exactly what they have.

Phillips dismissal.pdf
Phillips complaint.pdf

[fputs]

DN is going to win in court or out of court for all the cases because they have more money period. They can drag out the court because they can pay the bills and it will never be feasible to defend a civil case against a giant. If this was a criminal matter then you would fight for your life, but on a civil case your fight is never worth the cost or stress. Unless you have plenty of money, you should think twice before going to a fight for purely sake of principle.

[fifties]

I agree bro, gr8 discusion. Dish has failed before going after the enduser. It reminded me of this case. It will be interesting to see exactly what they have.

Phillips dismissal.pdf
Phillips complaint.pdf

Thx for the linx; DN sued the defendant because (1) there were sales records indicating that he had purchased a satellite receiver that MAY have been modified to receive their programming, and (2) he had then dropped his sub with them.

"Individuals who purchased modified FTA receivers WOULD have the ability to utilize the modified FTA receivers to decrypt DISH network's signals without authorization." It was speculation, just like owning a rifle WOULD give one the ability to commit murder.

Unfortunately, the poor defendant got stuck with his own attorney's fees, which prolly equaled or exceeded whatever preliminary letter DN may have sent him in the beginning. That's the part I find unfair; they caused him financial (not to mention emotional) damage with their fishing expedition, and he apparently had no recourse with them.

I think I'd sue the bastards in small claims court, where attorneys aren't allowed, lol. Emotional strife to the tune of whatever the legal fee happened to amount to (within the small claims limit, of course).

[sat*]

So the case is basically on buying his code and your pm too him.. He probability had Receive Email Notification of new Private Messages setting on so copy all pm is in his email box. So if he clear his pm on the site it will still be in his email.

[johnnysat]

Are any Canadians feeling the pinch from this case?

[dishuser]

Are any Canadians feeling the pinch from this case?

no
and none have in the past except dealers

[hondoharry]

They may not have server logs from the server end but they can always get them from your ISP. We'll have to see if they go that far in evidence gathering once the cases are adjudicated and promoted on Satscums.

[bandit]

not the only place that censorship is practiced---(they only want you to hear one side of the story) ==i=remember all===========i truly hope ,some one fights the allegations----lets see some facts---least we forget----the very first guy -that-came forward--and how he was treated!

[dishuser]

not the only place that censorship is practiced---(they only want you to hear one side of the story) ==i=remember all===========i truly hope ,some one fights the allegations----lets see some facts---least we forget----the very first guy -that-came forward--and how he was treated!

keep your whining at pros
they don't care about truth...lol