DN $3500 demand

[kboom]

Now if they have those....then yes your goose is cooked.

I just looked at the letter again and I notice they very cleverly write 'Enclosed for your reference is some of the evidence that has been gathered including....'. That's pretty ambiguous wording and could mean anything.

And if they have those they could still be monitoring the ones that got the letter. Could be a dangerous situation.

[Hannibalector]

anyone in these situations can call there ISP and ask them if any records have been given over via an order to do so, in other words you can find out yourself

[sodusme]

Well from what I have read many times, they only need to prove in Court is that the purchases were made !!!!!!!!

So these codes were ruled as 'illegal' in a court of law? I'd like to see the ruling please post it.

If purchases were made from an illegal entity i.e. NFPS....then it sounds like to me they should be going after the guys that run NFPS. After all they are running the server and making it possible for the little guy to engage in 'piracy'.

Your theory does make sense......the only downside I see is the amount of info they really have. If they have ones email address, do they have ones Nic on a Sat Forum Site? If one was dumb enough to ever post they were down on N*P* port xxxxx I would think one would have to take this into consideration in ones decision to pay or fight. I'm sure they would have copies of all threads that say Post if you are up or down....... May be their Ace in the Hole.

Yeah each person would have to weigh their own options as to what kind of info. they may have posted on a site.

[hondoharry]

anyone in these situations can call there ISP and ask them if any records have been given over via an order to do so, in other words you can find out yourself

I think they would only bother to request ISP logs if the case actually was going to trial after court ordered arbitration failed to reach an agreement.

[budyyy]

Dunno about down there but most canadian isps refuse to give any info without being court ordered.

[sodusme]

Dunno about down there but most canadian isps refuse to give any info without being court ordered.

Ha...anyone will roll on you in the states. Every new internet bill our fearless leader Obama signs into order strips away another freedom. Big brother already knows too much about what I do online and they are getting the power to know more and more every day.

[1boxman]

I do not think it is that easy to get isp logs in the usa either ..and if they do from want I have seen ..its limited ..unless its has to do with kids or so .

It would take a few bucks and multi times and many orders .For each person.. Do not think there going to do it for each person ..They may ..but might be holding out for the servers .

And they real do not need as far as we can see .

[hondoharry]

I do not think it is that easy to get isp logs in the usa either ..and if they do from want I have seen ..its limited ..unless its has to do with kids or so .

It would take a few bucks and multi times and many orders .For each person.. Do not think there going to do it for each person ..They may ..but might be holding out for the servers .

And they real do not need as far as we can see .

No doubt it's more trouble to get logs from all the ISP's. That's why I said they would only have to do that as a last resort for actual trial. But it isn't all that difficult. There are fewer ISP's now. Comcast may get you most of them. They got a court order with a list of names for PayPal so it would be no problem getting one for ISP's. Asking for each customer's connections to the NFPS and Rocket servers IP or domain.

[steveOtoo]

No doubt it's more trouble to get logs from all the ISP's. That's why I said they would only have to do that as a last resort for actual trial. But it isn't all that difficult. There are fewer ISP's now. Comcast may get you most of them. They got a court order with a list of names for PayPal so it would be no problem getting one for ISP's. Asking for each customer's connections to the NFPS and Rocket servers IP or domain.

They did'nt necessarily get a court order from PalPal, howerver they did get a statement of Wufman's account probably provided by Wufman.

[hondoharry]

They did'nt necessarily get a court order from PalPal, howerver they did get a statement of Wufman's account probably provided by Wufman.

PayPal would not hand over the info to a private individual or company without some kind of legal action from a court.

[dishuser]

PayPal would not hand over the info to a private individual or company without some kind of legal action from a court.

paypal and ebay are joined at the hip
try listing a modded ird or cards on ebay...lol

[sodusme]

If you wanna know how easy it is to get ISP logs just look at the people being sued for torrenting. All the watchdog companies like BayTSP and Mediasentry and so forth have to go on is a damn i.p.....and they have no problems getting the ISP to hand over information.

If its that easy for them its a cake walk for DN/Nagra.

[hondoharry]

paypal and ebay are joined at the hip
try listing a modded ird or cards on ebay...lol

Yes, they have been the same company for a number of years now but they still wouldn't give personal customer info to DN without a court order. That's the point.

[dishuser]

Yes, they have been the same company for a number of years now but they still wouldn't give personal customer info to DN without a court order. That's the point.

that I highly doubt

[sodusme]

http://lawmeme.research.yale.edu/modules.php?name=Newsfile=printsid=925

In other words, without a subpoena, eBay will provide all sorts of information to any law enforcement agency for any reason whatsoever. For more about eBay's law enforcement-friendly policy, read on.

Without a subpoena, eBay will provide the following information regarding an eBay user to law enforcement:

Full Name, User ID, Email Address, Street Address, State, City, Zip Code, Phone Number, Country, Company, Password, Secondary Phone, Gender, Personal or Business, Shipping information (Name, Street Address, City, State, Zip)

eBay cooperates with law enforcement inquiries, as well as other third parties to enforce laws, such as: intellectual property rights, fraud and other rights. We can (and you authorize us to) disclose any information about you to law enforcement or other government officials as we, in our sole discretion, believe necessary or appropriate, in connection with an investigation of fraud, intellectual property infringements, or other activity that is illegal or may expose us or you to legal liability.