DN $3500 demand

[Anubis]

Do you guys see satellite tv even being around in 5-10 years? Sooner or later it will end up being an internet based television. It pretty much has now. With services like Netflix, your xbmc's, networks showing there shows on their websites... really makes you wonder why more people have not gone that way. I guess it comes down to the time and effort of learning to adjust with technology. One thing I love about going down to the States is that there are still video rental stores. You would also think that the networks would join together and offer the tv services free to the end user and make their money off of advertising.

Hmmm, I think I'll leave this one.

[dirtydcdn]

Do not post on forums to ofter... forgot the etiquette. Sorry.

So is Hijacking ok ??? or punishable ?

[surfinisfun]

Do not post on forums to ofter... forgot the etiquette. Sorry.

Not a big deal at this point.

This things been hijacked at least 52 times by now.lol

[JCO]

Not a big deal at this point.

This things been hijacked at least 52 times by now.lol

And a big congrats to Chicago on the big win... Ops wrong thread..
Now back to our regular programing and those nasty letters from Howe, Doowey, Doem, attorneys and ambulance chasers.

[sodusme]

I am really curious on how they could ask for so much of a penalty. If you were to have purchased a subscription with all of the channels you would be no where near the price they are asking for. It would be like stealing a car worth a 1000 dollars and paying for a 100,000 dollar car to replace it. Would they not also have to have an itemized channel listing of what you watched in order to come to a damage total. Also what is to stop a person from using someones open internet access to use an iks system? The problem with IKS and traceability has always been the paper trail. I remember a site a long time ago that would sell pens to access there site... cannot remember for the life of me what fta site that was. If a seller sold a pen with "codes" to access a private site would that be a loophole? Would really like sodusme input on this one as he seems to really know his Sheet.

I appreciate your confidence in me and I'll give you the best advice I can give and I've given it many times on these forums as its no secret I'm involved in some "shady" stuff. This is the motto I live by:

"Can this be traced back to me"?

If you ask yourself that before doing anything on the 'net and you can honestly answer "NO it cannot" than its probably pretty safe to engage in. If you answer "YES it can" then its not advisable to engage in it. Now when I say "pretty safe" I mean knowing your sh*t. Like knowing that you need an Elite Level 1 High Anonymous proxy or VPN to hide your i.p. and that a Transparent Level 3 one won't work. Like knowing that headers on an email can be traced, or that J/S can give up your i.p. and other info. on a website. You really have to know your stuff sometimes to be able to answer that intelligently.

If everyone online asked themselves that one little question before doing whatever it was they did they would be better off for it.

[rambojoe]

what happened in the wulf case,was these peeps computer not safe as in not traceable,or were they just ratted out?

[surfinisfun]

what happened in the wulf case,was these peeps computer not safe as in not traceable,or were they just rated out?

Hmmm, 35 pages here.

Lots of info in them there pages.

[rambojoe]

my bad,guess even untraceable computer can't shut big mouth up.answered my own question with your help, thanks surfinisfun.

[rambojoe]

another question you can ask yourself is, if i go iks,(which i don't recommend),will the reseller rat me out if he gets caught? I think they all will give in,causing more demand letters.But it's your choice.be safe.

[sodusme]

my bad,guess even untraceable computer can't shut big mouth up.answered my own question with your help, thanks surfinisfun.

Well you gotta figure you had a how shall I say "variable" in the equation that couldn't be calculated. That variable was Paypal.

Now you might have been able to trust Wuf I don't know the man or what records he kept or he kept them or anything else about the man. But I do know one thing Paypal will roll on you like a dog with fleas. See now if people doing this had asked themselves "Can this be traced back to me", they probably would have said "Yeah maybe through Paypal". Than that should have led you to do more investigation on how they handle subpoenas and their turning over of evidence.

Honestly and I'll probably get shot for saying this but I wouldn't necessarily lay all the blame at Wuf's feet. Paypal played a huge role in the evidence gathering on these cases. They turned over things that Wuf would not have had access to. Like i.p.'s used, transaction history and other crap.

[rambojoe]

would a person be able to sue PP for giving out personal info, like they did?

[hondoharry]

Honestly and I'll probably get shot for saying this but I wouldn't necessarily lay all the blame at Wuf's feet. Paypal played a huge role in the evidence gathering on these cases. They turned over things that Wuf would not have had access to. Like i.p.'s used, transaction history and other crap.

Correct. Wuf did not have access to any end user's real name and address needed to send out the letters. PayPal has no choice when faced with a court order. The responsible party for the letters is DN's signal security dept. that got their lawyers to get the court orders for PayPal to turn over the incriminating evidence.

[surfinisfun]

Well you gotta figure you had a how shall I say "variable" in the equation that couldn't be calculated. That variable was Paypal.

Now you might have been able to trust Wuf I don't know the man or what records he kept or he kept them or anything else about the man. But I do know one thing Paypal will roll on you like a dog with fleas. See now if people doing this had asked themselves "Can this be traced back to me", they probably would have said "Yeah maybe through Paypal". Than that should have led you to do more investigation on how they handle subpoenas and their turning over of evidence.

Honestly and I'll probably get shot for saying this but I wouldn't necessarily lay all the blame at Wuf's feet. Paypal played a huge role in the evidence gathering on these cases. They turned over things that Wuf would not have had access to. Like i.p.'s used, transaction history and other crap.

Oh for sure, we know pp will roll quicker than you can blink but....

Lets leave pp out for a minute and get back to wuff. He was an Smod here and being an x Smod from a very popular site i had access to ip's. Now every site is different when it comes to the level of privileges/powers but if he had that authority then, also if he was playing the end game, maybe he was keeping that info.

After all, how many sick excuses did he come up with during the last few months? Was that him, knowing the heat was coming collecting info available to him knowing it will get his ass out of the fire so as to turn over all the info needed to turn the big rat tail and run.

[sodusme]

would a person be able to sue PP for giving out personal info, like they did?

Not on your life. Their system is set up just like a bank 'cause that is essentially what they are. When you "do business" with them you are basically submitting to their "terms" which read pretty much like this: "We will turn over any and all information in the cooperation with law enforcement or an investigation". I'm paraphrasing there of course but you get the idea. Once you use their service you are saying you agree to be bound to their terms.

Oh for sure, we know pp will roll quicker than you can blink but....

Lets leave pp out for a minute and get back to wuff. He was an Smod here and being an x Smod from a very popular site i had access to ip's. Now every site is different when it comes to the level of privileges/powers but if he had that authority then, also if he was playing the end game, maybe he was keeping that info.

After all, how many sick excuses did he come up with during the last few months? Was that him, knowing the heat was coming collecting info available to him knowing it will get his ass out of the fire so as to turn over all the info needed to turn the big rat tail and run.

All I will say on that subject is that I would never have anyone on staff that was engaged in this type of activity. Now I'm not speaking against or condoning or admonishing what any site does as that is their own business. I'm only telling you how I would operate. Now of course its probably hard to keep tabs on people and what they are doing so that might be a little difficult. You would have to really be able to trust the people you have on staff.

[Gunsmoke2 - GS2]

I appreciate your confidence in me and I'll give you the best advice I can give and I've given it many times on these forums as its no secret I'm involved in some "shady" stuff. This is the motto I live by:

"Can this be traced back to me"?

If you ask yourself that before doing anything on the 'net and you can honestly answer "NO it cannot" than its probably pretty safe to engage in. If you answer "YES it can" then its not advisable to engage in it. Now when I say "pretty safe" I mean knowing your sh*t. Like knowing that you need an Elite Level 1 High Anonymous proxy or VPN to hide your i.p. and that a Transparent Level 3 one won't work. Like knowing that headers on an email can be traced, or that J/S can give up your i.p. and other info. on a website. You really have to know your stuff sometimes to be able to answer that intelligently.

If everyone online asked themselves that one little question before doing whatever it was they did they would be better off for it.

People are being traced through records of purchases they made when the seller gets raided or gets into legal problems and cooperates.


So purchasers first have to identify a seller is going to have/keep a record of their transaction even if they say they don't. Than they have to try to take steps so that their purchase can't be traced back to them. If they can't accomplish that than they should only go ahead knowing that there is a chance it could come back to bite them with being ok with that if it happens.




GS2